Is this a problem being discussed elsewhere?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bicker, May 3, 2008.

  1. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    Cats, dogs, horses, chickens, rabbits, lizards, snakes, fish, squirrels, skunks, nutria, frogs, turtles, alligators... You name it, we probably had (or have) it is a pet.

    While males do come with a set of different issues for their subjects, I assure you there are females who positively gleeful when knocking over objects in retribution for some offense on the part of their inferiors. My cat is one of these. We've also had a few very laid-back males, or even careful ones. We had one male who would race through a glassware display at top speed without so much as dislodging a single display piece.

    I resemble that remark.

    I know it's genrally a bit more expensive, but I recommend DLP.

    I like the Mitsubishis. I find their quality quite on a par with Sony, but with some significant additional features. They are also usually a little bit less expensive than the Sony of the same class. IMO, and YMMV, of course.
     
  2. bicker

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    Argh. Okay, well Numb3rs was all messed up again last night, but Moonlight was fine.

    Is there any logic about why divorcing the eSATA and re-attaching it would make a difference with regard to recording reliability -- something that we could use to do something less drastic (but more drastic than just replugging things back in, which I've already done)? It would pretty-much under-cut the whole point of having the eSATA drive if, every time, just before we're about to make use of its contents, we'd have to lose those contents and start over.

    As it is, it is just another three weeks before we go all cable for the summer (and we don't have this problem on cable channels, at all), so it almost doesn't make sense to try that now. We'll do that in early September for sure, though.
     
  3. hmm52

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    Thanks, but it has to hang on a bedroom wall, and I'd rather it not be larger than 32". Not intending a home theater up there so even the built in audio is important. But the display qualities of a DLP or LcOS are my preference. Had a wood cabinet Mitsubishi that worked well for 27 years. Saw a large screen new one on wall at Tweeter last week - stingray looked more like eagle ray flipped on its back - "dynamic contrast" running amok; not a DLP though. Did Mitsy ever get their cablecard issues resolved?
     
  4. lrhorer

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    I don't know. I have TiVos, so I'm not using the CableCard slot, and thus have little interest in the matter. I did have some problems prior to getting my S3 TiVo, but once I got the TiVo, I never looked back.
     
  5. Phantom Gremlin

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    I may have an explanation for what happened to you. I'm not privy to the inner workings of the box, but here's what I think others have said:

    1) a program will be recorded in its entirety on a single hard disk drive.

    2) at the start of a recording the TiVo chooses the hard drive with the most free space

    It's quite possible that your two programs were recorded on two different disks. Numb3rs was recorded on the bad drive.
     
  6. richsadams

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    That's as good an explanation as any...makes sense.

    However I wish we could get a definitive answer for this particular issue from TiVo. I've read quite a number of posts from folks (that seem to have the correct technical background) that claim that the dual-drive system is basically RAID 0, striping recordings across both drives. Then like you, others have postulated that the recordings are solely on one or the other drive. If that's the case there would have to be some sort of "tag" on the opposite drive that the recording exists to comply with the regulatory authority's wishes of course...seems easy enough. (Either way all recordings are lost from the point the expansion drive was added if/when it's removed.) But it would be handy to know which drive possibly has bad sectors or is failing, etc.

    BTW, a number of CBS HD shows including Numb3rs are "glitchy" here...periodic macroblocking and/or audio dropouts and such. Sometimes the same show is perfect the following week. I chalk that up to the nature of the beast and our local broadcaster, but it may be more wide-spread I suppose. It sounds like bicker's problem is much bigger than the occasional data corruption though.
     
  7. greg_burns

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    I'm guessing off-loading your Tivo's contents to a PC is out of the question?
     
  8. Resist

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    So you assume Tivo is not alive? My Tivo is my best friend. :)
     
  9. bicker

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    It wouldn't be (I have a TB drive handy) except that returning the HD content back to the TiVo causes a different kind of video corruption, sort of like the skipping we're discussing in this thread, but instead of a cut-out it seems more like 1 second of video is presented in 1/4 second, and that's at about 80-90 incidents per hour.

    However, to be honest, I haven't tried that since 9.3, so maybe they've fixed it?
     
  10. bicker

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    My wife is my best friend. :) (Sorry -- I couldn't Resist! :D)
     
  11. bicker

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    So Desperate Housewives and Brothers and Sisters were perfect yesterday. It sure seems random.
     
  12. mike_camden

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    Bicker,
    I was having a similar issue after I connected the WD My DVR Expander to one of our Tivo HDs. Based on a post on the official Tivo forums, I flipped my e-Sata cable, and the problem hasn't happened in the two months since. I'm into computer repair work by trade and have been a computer geek for almost 20 years; I'm not sure why this fixed the issue (beyond maybe an issue with reliability of the terminators on the cable), but I'm happy it did. If I could only fix the issue of DD sound drop-out with the HD and an Onkyo receiver, I would be perfectly happy with the Tivo experience.
     
  13. lrhorer

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    They have. TTCB is flawless, now, at least as far as picture quality is concerned. It's still a bit slow, and the number of programs which won't transfer unless I go through some pains to fix them is much higher than I would like, but the skipping, jerking, and pixelization is gone, even on 20Mbps 1080i content.
     
  14. lrhorer

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    Maybe so, but my TiVo does exactly what I tell it to do and it never, ever nags me.
     
  15. bicker

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    Okay, I'm going to try that this morning. My first approach will be as follows:

    TiVo -> wired -> Router <- wired <- laptop -> 500GB USB Drive

    Is there anything about that typography that would tend to cause trouble? Am I "better off" with wireless connections?

    That must be how my wife feels about me. :)
     
  16. jrm01

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    Perhaps your wife needs a firmware update.:)
     
  17. greg_burns

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    No. Wired should be the best choice if possible.
     
  18. bicker

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    The return trip from PC to TiVo has been unsuccessful. I'll continue to try.
     
  19. bizzy

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    Raid 0 doesn't require striping. Raid 0 can also be concatenation of space on two or more drives.

    If you look through the instructions for adding disk with the MFS tools, you'll see that there is no low-level RAID going on. Additional partitions are simply added to the pool that is available for the Tivo to use.

    MFS was not designed for and does not support (to the best of my limited knowledge) 'striping' of an entity across two or more of these partitions.

    There's no magic RAID striping going on, folks. The dissapearing programs on divorce are either because

    * your program resided on the partition you divorced, or
    * because of mandated DFAST DRM requirements
     
  20. bicker

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    "This program was not transferred onto this DVR because of a transfer error. You may want to try this transfer again."

    I've gotten that twice. Seems to me that TTG is still not working for me.
     

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