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Is there a new Tivo coming "soon"?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by burns.justin, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    You're right. I don't know who you are. However your comments clearly show that you don't work in this industry, have no experience in it, are not a contract attorney, and have never run a technology service delivery organization - or more to the point - have no technology experience. I have not ignored cited law at all. I'm simply not arrogant enough to try and be judge and jury and insist that the law will result in a specific action - much less to dishonestly try to misrepresent repeatedly exactly what the law will have to address. That's what you've consistently been doing.

    I don't know the ins and outs of the actual ATSC 3.0 implications, the technical aspects of the QAM situation, etc. Not in my wheelhouse. There are guys here on this forum that know that stuff way better than I ever will, so you won't see me with any strong opinions about what may happen in that regard. I have no relevant experience or material knowledge to apply to known facts. That is simply not the case when it comes to global hosted service delivery, software product development and release, enterprise architecture and enterprise infrastructure. Those are areas for which I have direct relevant experience to draw on. That includes defending technology patents, and dealing with contractual disputes related to contracted services.
     
  2. lpwcomp

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    Hey GENIUS. It's Aereo, not Aaereo.
     
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  3. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, Genius.
     
  4. Nickipedia

    Nickipedia Nick of Time TCF Club

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    Aereo: retransmission consent is the next intriguing question

    Before Aereo went under I remember reading this. It brings up interesting arguments on how Aereo could have continued. It seemed like after Aereo's troubles they just decided to cut their losses and avoid the battles. Of course the outcome wasn't entirely lost, I like my Roamio OTAs' :)
     
  5. mattyro7878

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    I need to ask: Will the cable companies still supply a box for this ip delivered content? Whatever that box may be, can't TiVo create a similar device?I know they would have to design it for each gigantic cable company so the smaller MSO's are out of luck. Isn't that how TiVo started? By building a better mousetrap? I will admit some of you folks are truly on top of this so I guess I am just hoping for something very unlikely to happen.
     
  6. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, as always, for your once-again repeated comments, which have been given their due consideration.
     
  7. NashGuy

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    As things stand now, yes, TiVo absolutely could design and sell retail IPTV boxes tailored to work with each MSO's individual IPTV system but only if each MSO agreed to that arrangement and actively cooperated with TiVo to allow that to happen. And frankly, it's not really in a cable company's interests to expend resources to help TiVo make retail boxes that take away hardware rental fees from them while making a profit for TiVo. If an IPTV cable company really liked TiVo and wanted to work out some kind of cooperative deal with them, well, the end result wouldn't be a new retail TiVo box designed for their service, it would simply be a new rental TiVo box that the cable company would offer their subscribers.

    Because of the existing CableCARD standard, TiVo has never had to get the agreement and cooperation of individual cable companies to make their retail DVRs -- the FCC forced cable companies to adhere to a certain type of technology and, so long as an outside company's retail products also adhered to that technological standard, their products would work with any traditional QAM-based cable TV system in the country. But over the next several years, it's widely expected that cable companies will migrate away from QAM to IPTV and there is no industry-wide standard for IPTV devices like CableCARD is for QAM devices.
     
  8. shwru980r

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    Then why do most Tivo DVRs have OTA capability? Is Tivo making a poor business decision by manufacturing DVRs with OTA capability? It's a simple and inexpensive task to turn a Roamio OTA into a Cable/OTA DVR. I don't see the high cost of entry into the cable market.
     
  9. Jrr6415sun

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    my cable company literally switched over from some analog to all digital last week and now I have to worry about that switching to something else again?
     
  10. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    If your cable company just got around to converting to all digital, o_O I would say worrying about the end of the world would be about as productive as worrying about when they may switch to some new delivery technology.
     
  11. delgadobb

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    Add me to this group times 10. I've got a ton of storage on my Tivos & most run at 90%+. Some of it is archival stuff I wanna keep (i.e. Cubs WS last year, WSOP last few years, Federer/Nadal Australian open match, that kinda stuff.) A lot of it is tons of movies recorded from HBO/Cinemax/Showtime/TMC/Starz/Encore when I had them, along with series related to those networks. I *like* that I can go back whenever I want to watch Homeland, Dexter, Game of Thrones, Silicon Valley, Shameless, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The Walking Dead, etc. (Even though I've barely started on a number of them.) You get the idea. I'm not subject to the whims or commercials of Netflix/Hulu/etc. Stuff like Columbo, Stargate SG-1 & Brockmire is sticking around for multiple viewings. It's been YEARS since I've laughed as hard as I did with Brockmire. My guess is I could binge-watch TV for several months & still not get through all my content. I watch almost no live TV & get to stuff when I can. That works for me. Might be different for others.

    As for the rest of the discussion going on here, I've chosen not to participate as it seems more like talking to a brick wall rather than a give-and-take dialog where we can grow by exchanging ideas & learning from one another. SO much ego & hubris. Here's a quick-and-dirty take on it:

     
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  12. slowbiscuit

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    Um, CableLabs. And no cableCo is going to work with you on an IP replacement.
     
  13. shwru980r

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    I meant for the existing cable cards It doesn't seem to cost very much to add a cable card bracket to a roamio OTA, but other companies are entering the retail DVR market with OTA only DVRs.
     
  14. Mikeguy

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    It's been calm this week. 'Nuff said.
     
  15. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    An OTA Roamio has h/w and s/w support for CableCARD , including CableLabs certification, and is only lacking the bracket. Not true for newly developed DVRs.
     

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