Is something seriously wrong with TiVo’s guide data?

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  1. Jan 22, 2020 #41 of 342
    Charles R

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    Overall I think it's more one's sensitivity, expectations, display size and so on. Sure some stations are going to look better than others based on a number for factors however in general there has been a large decrease in image quality and a large increase in sub-channels.

    Back in the day image quality drove me to OTA and nowadays it's driving me away.

    I'd say that sounds about right. Back in the day even my 720p channels were there or higher (1080i quite a bit).
     
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  2. Jan 22, 2020 #42 of 342
    Bigg

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    That's for the past few years. That number used to be 13 or 14mbps. Encoder technology has come a long, long way. Cheap servers to run software encoders have pushed it forward a lot too.

    EDIT: Also, 720p degrades more gracefully than 1080i, even though with proper compression and de-interlacing, 1080i will always look better than 720p due to having more than double the resolution.
     
  3. Jan 28, 2020 #43 of 342
    hybucket

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    This is a duplicate of a posting I put on another thread.
    A brief rant here re: the guide. It has gotten worse than ever lately. Not only is it not deleting channels no longer carried by Comcast for over a year, it has not kept up with any changes in the local (Boston) channel listings. I find it completely undependable, and have to check listings every day on a Comcast box to see what is REALLY on that night. i can understand daily last-minute changes on a local level, but not complete channel additions/deletions that took place months ago.
    I have not received any messages of channel changes in..well, I can't remember the last one. There are still listings for MGM TV, which Comcast has not carried for a year, as well as listings for the STARZ and ENCORE channels that were dropped from Comcast end of 2019. None of the new HITZ channels that Comcast is now carrying are listed, which makes me think that no one really cares about them anyway.
    Maybe the change in ownership will make a difference...I hope so. I'm still hooked on the TiVO experience after almost 20 years, but this is making it tough.
     
  4. Jan 28, 2020 #44 of 342
    JoeKustra

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    Here's one nobody knows about. The 1P manager allows you to set the earliest episode it will record. So if you want to just record the current SNL, you could set it to 45. Guess what NCIS, Criminal Minds, Chicago P.D. and The Blacklist all have in common? They let you set the start season to passed the current season. So don't do that. ;)
     
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  5. Jan 28, 2020 #45 of 342
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Unless you want your recordings to start next season... ;)
     
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  6. Jan 28, 2020 #46 of 342
    Puppy76

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    World (AKA PBS World) is showing "to be announced" lately, for whatever reason...BUT I've noticed an entry on PBS for tonight is correct on my TiVo, but WRONG on other online TV Guides I've seen, INCLUDING wrong on PBS' own website!
     
  7. Jan 28, 2020 #47 of 342
    JoeKustra

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    Now that's what I call optimism. I'll start recording NCIS three years from now. Soon someone will post that there are so many TBA showing at the end of the guide. I lost 18 hours of data depending how you look at it. I guess I should have said only the data stops at 7pm. The guide doesn't.
     
  8. Jan 30, 2020 #48 of 342
    JoeKustra

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    Here's another good one. In the guide tomorrow's The Tonight Show on NBC is generic. If you Search for it, there are three entries. The first two are generic but different. The third is correct as far as metadata goes anyway. I can't promise the guest list is right. A 1P should still pick it up, but no promises on SM.
     
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  9. Jan 30, 2020 #49 of 342
    Puppy76

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    I don't watch the Tonight Show (though its hardly the last show I'd watch!) but watch Seth Meyers, and the data for it's been screwed up some this month, for the first time that I've ever been aware of it being screwed up.

    Finding your Roots was screwed up for me too this month, in that case with the Tivo explicitly claiming the new episodes had aired a few months ago, though in that case people are saying that it may be because PBS "prime" has them available in November, and MY station didn't air them until this month...maybe.

    That's yet another reason I need a streaming device already, as I'm having to stream it while it's still free from PBS.org!

    I'm back to checking the guide daily again, like (but not as painful as) pre-TiVo 2004.
     
  10. Jan 30, 2020 #50 of 342
    JoeKustra

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    I think the merger of NBC and Universal has not gone well. Now Comcast has added more chaos.

    But that doesn't explain the TiVo guide. It's Search function has become very messed up recently.
     
  11. Jan 30, 2020 #51 of 342
    Puppy76

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    Until you said that I'd forgotten that NBC and Universal didn't used to be combined. Just 2004! I'd totally forgotten.

    I like NBC...they've got a lot of shows that are a little "weird", which is a good thing in my book, willing to take some chances on a bit more esoteric stuff than some networks.

    I wish they'd air Syfy as like a broadcast subchannel though!
     
  12. Feb 2, 2020 #52 of 342
    powrcow

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    Are other people getting a lot of "Upcoming: <show name>" in the guide? It looks like the TiVo doesn't have any guide data for a period in time (day? half day?) and the fail-safe behavior is to have an entry called "Upcoming" that simply points to the next thing in the guide.

    Many channels have this and it looks like it started a week or two ago.
     
  13. Feb 2, 2020 #53 of 342
    slowbiscuit

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    Yep, same old crap from Rivo.
     
  14. Feb 2, 2020 #54 of 342
    JoeKustra

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    It's comes and goes. I've seen it for months. TiVo never stops trying to get the guide to work. When all they needed to do was provide a guide it was easy. When it came to linking it to recording they are still trying. I have a wish list set for Comedy Central Programming. That way their screwups show in the 1P manager.

    "Upcoming:" has always been in the guide (since Rovi). Just hit 24 hours back 3x while in the guide. Seeing it for future time slots usually goes away.
     
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  15. Feb 2, 2020 #55 of 342
    zexel

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    My bolt guide is showing "title not available" in half of my channels. On some channels it is it is for just a few hours out, on others it is for days. I am OTA and have about twenty channels in my guide. This just started a few days ago. This is crazy. A lot of my one passes are not going to record.
     
  16. Feb 2, 2020 #56 of 342
    BizzyMarks

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    For the past couple months, I've seen "To Be Announced" pop up on several channels and as the days pass, it grows. I've Cleared Guide Data a couple times and that temporarily fixes it. I see it mostly the channels towards the end of the alphabet: TNT, TBS, PBS, SyFy (just off the top of my head). I was forced to reimage my Premiere because it got stuck on "Clearing Guide Data" on boot. Now with a new, clean image, it just finally downloaded new guide data, and while skipping to the end of the data, there are more "To Be Announced" entries prior to the "Guide Data Through" date. That tells me there is something in the data itself that TiVo is unable to read and fails to continue to process. Either the guide data is corrupted, or there is something in there that TiVo is unable to process/handle.

    Does anyone have access to TiVo's developers?
     
  17. Feb 2, 2020 #57 of 342
    JoeKustra

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    After today's service connection my guide is back to the Rovi format. That format is the date in System Information has 2/13 and data becomes TBA on 7pm on 2/13. My guide was old TiVo format until today. TiVo format is the date in System information would be 2/13 but data would extend to 2/14 at 1pm. However I did pickup late night today, so something good did happen. It could play server games, but it's too low on my priority list. My Premiere never changed to the TiVo format. It has always been in the Rovi format since the 20.7.3 change.
     
  18. Feb 2, 2020 #58 of 342
    chetly

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    Yes and it’s screwed up my super bowl watching... see new thread TiVo/Comcast FAIL...
     
  19. Feb 3, 2020 #59 of 342
    pldmich

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    For about a week I'm getting more and more "title not available". Some channels no programming, others will have half an hour bookended by "title not available". Ridiculous that I'm spending a lot of time online to check scheduling.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2020 #60 of 342
    powrcow

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    I'm not concerned about future "Upcoming: ..." in the guide as it may update. I am concerned about it showing up for current shows - usually as "Title Not Available". I don't think I've missed any of the shows I normally watch, but when I looked at the guide Saturday night, there were many channels with "Upcoming...".

    This is a problem. I guess the official way to complain is via TiVo's website?
     

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