Is it time to move on from Tivo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JOHN WEIDENFELLER, Sep 28, 2020.

  1. pdhenry

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    I moved to YouTube TV on a Roku at the beginning of the year. It was more a cord-cutting issue (or at least getting out from under Comcast) and I still have one of three TiVos running to record some OTA channels that aren't in the YTTV lineup (e.g., MeTV) but it's been months since I've watched any of that.
    The UI is different of course, but unlimited DVR on unlimited simultaneous channels makes up for a lot.
     
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  2. dbpaddler

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    But you're also paying for yttv and was paying for cable before. The op is OTA. So suggesting he add a monthly sub just to ditch tivo and not have to switch an input doesn't make a lot of sense.

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  3. dbpaddler

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    Scare tactics, really? C'mon.

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  4. Pokemon_Dad

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    Happened to me. Matches IRS office equipment depreciation schedules. And electronics manufacturers' planning.
     
  5. dbpaddler

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    My ig mini's were still going strong and I had them since they were first released. I have a Tivo HD that still worked as of last year. And my roamio pro is over 5yrs and still kicking as a server.

    But seriously... Scare tactics of failure and the other guy wants him to spend 300 or so a year to get rid of tivo... Not a lot of logic for something that does the trick for him outside of switching inputs to stream. And it's paid for. So having to buy new devices up front to get up and running. Selling what he has would probably have him break even. And then Channels is adding to the cost.

    Just makes more sense to deal with a streaming device (Sabrina would be my vote) and ride the OTA to failure or atsc 3.0.

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  6. pdhenry

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    Two of my four units with active service entered service in 2011.
     
  7. JOHN WEIDENFELLER

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    thanks for all the good info... yes you are spot on, not looking to add a new subscription. Would weigh the option if purchasing a new box would solve this issue but like others have said switching between inputs isn't a big deal for me but others in the family don't share my opinion. Have been playing with the remote options and on some TVs getting teh Tivo remote to do the input works perfectly others I still have to grab another remote but getting closer.

    also never realized my office Tivo Mini was an older version so swapped it with a newer version thats on a. TV we don't use as often solved the Live TV channels not working. Never realized if the Tivo Mini logo was on the left side of teh box its an older one... :)

    also someone specified Romio OTA on the original UI. Can you go back to the original UI? if you do does it go back to the Tivo suggestion that actually works? does it affect the apps at all? Its been a while sicne I switched don't remember what teh differences is except maybe the screen has more preview info before you select something but maybe I'm forgetting something. I hate the suggestions sections now and always found something useful before switching but not sure if that was teh UI change or not
     
  8. lman

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    Does the TIVO Stream have auto commercial skip.
     
  9. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    Statistics.

    Yes you can go back to the original UI, and that's the only reason I replaced the dying hard drive in my Roamio and kept it going. See this thread: How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1

    Staying on "TE3" has certainly been worth it to me, so I don't have to struggle with TiVo Support to remove advertising in the Guide or before recorded shows. But sorry to say the old Suggestions feature just doesn't work anymore. That was a business decision made by TiVo quite a while back. Also, before doing a "sidegrade" to TE3 you may want to back up your shows with pytivo desktop so you can put them back after you're done, because otherwise they will be lost.
     
  10. Pokemon_Dad

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    @blackngold75 was talking about adding a third-party app like Channels DVR. Before I realized why you were asking that, this was my reply:

    The Sling Cloud DVR allows you to fast forward through commercials, but as far as I know you can't completely skip them. The TiVo Stream 4K is just a streaming device, dependent on whatever features Sling and other apps provide. I don't own one but @dbpaddler and others have posted lots of good info in the TS4K forum.
     
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  11. Wil

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    I've never had a Tivo go bad (and that includes supporting many, many units via a charitable group). We prophylactically replaced the defective power supply capacitors on lots of DTivos and s3 and HD units, and hard drives in the old days used to go every 4-5 years or so, but I can't remember the last time we had to replace a more modern drive on one of those old Tivos. Other than the originally defective power supply capacitors, there's just not much that's likely to go bad in a 10-15 year period.

    I know of some HR10-250s which have been running continuously for over 15 years (most recently as hacked OTA-only, but there are now problems with guide updates on the OTA channel re-packing), and countless series 3's and HDs are still cranking away.

    I should qualify this by saying virtually all my experience is with older Tivos. The Bolts drop like flies and we don't touch them if we can help it, and as my memory is jogged we have had to replace hard disks on some of the Roamios.
     
  12. Pokemon_Dad

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    Bolts certainly do skew the statistics. Mine went to recycling. I replaced faulty hard disks in half of my other TiVo DVRs: one HD XL and one Roamio Pro. In another HD XL and a Premier XL I had to replace the fans, but they otherwise ran nonstop until I replaced them due to speed and features...although the feet on both HD units did eventually crumble into dust. Also one of my 93000 Minis got zapped, but that was "user error".

    [Edit: forgot about the fans and the Mini. Ancient history.]
     
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  13. trip1eX

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    Define "good percentage." I think the failure rate remains low overall after 5 years.

    I think with electronics, those prone to failure are going to fail early on before 5 years. And if they don't fail early on they last a long time with a predictable low failure rate that gradually rises as they become old old.
     
  14. Pokemon_Dad

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    Your experience fits within the statistics, which can look like this (only free graph I could quickly find, sourced here):

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    Many TiVo failures are due to moving components like my hard disks and fans, especially since they started using better caps.

    Based on this and also general feature obsolescence, the IRS allows you to depreciate an office computer over five years, instead of seven years like office furniture. That in turn reinforces the five year life that manufacturers target for HDs, fans, and often other components.
     
  15. dbpaddler

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    And people upgrade/replace drives all the time. Hardly a reason to scare someone into ditching their already paid for setup to incur all new expenses just for input switching which he said he's fine with. Not to mention the family isn't totally happy with it, but they'd have a whole new learning curve bouncing around apps and not having instant on TV anymore. Again, based on something that just works and is paid for now.

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  16. Pokemon_Dad

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    Just saying he should have a long-term plan, trying out stuff on the side for his family to see. Then if and when his TiVo products die or become obsolete someday, he'll be ready, because TiVo is no longer the same company. (I drive you crazy, don't I? Our approaches are as different as dragon boats vs. t'ai chi. :))
     
  17. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    but moving parts like fans and spinning disks aren't electronics. Plus a hard drive in a Tivo is easily replaceable. A fan is as well.


    Also the IRS is not a bastion of electronics reliability knowledge. Depreciation rates aren't indicative of actual product lifespans. As a rule of thumb, depreciation rates are always much more generous than the product's actual lifespan.
     
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  18. dbpaddler

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    Ha... Nothing wrong with being prepared. Just don't want knee jerk reactions and incurring costs needlessly. Besides, with OTA it's easy to get live channels on tv's while exploring options.

    While something like the hdhomerun/channels/computer solution is great along with tablo, sling and recast solutions; a couple years from now there could be all new solutions. And with Atsc 3.0 looming, I'd probably buy that within the next two years and go with a software dvr solution for flexibility. I'd probably bypass their current tuner.

    And Tai chi can compliment DB and most other sports so don't they can go hand in hand. A little zen and finding your center, creating balance and so forth can only help in other athletic endeavors.

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  19. mattack

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    That's irrelevant to what I said.

    Also, [citation needed]
     
  20. mattack

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    Mostly I am, though I've actually used the Hulu app a couple of times lately, and the wait didn't aggravate the heck out of me like it usually does. Have I become more impatient? Seems highly unlikely, and the app sure hasn't gotten faster... but I didn't want to switch inputs.. (actually the one thing that is flaky is the TV related buttons on the remote.. I have no idea why they go WAY before anything else stops working, they're not even the buttons I use most.. but even with new batteries, input & volume buttons stop working well before the actual TiVo related buttons.)
     

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