Is Dec 15th ... the HD dark day?

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  1. Nov 7, 2007 #81 of 137
    MichaelK

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    I could be off but I beleive they said on their quarterly conference calls that they had 600,000 HD boxes deployed before the mpeg4 came along. I'd have to guess through attrition and the the addition of MPEG4 locals to more than 50% of the populations and the new MPEG4 stuff added that a good portion of the plain mpeg2 HD boxes have been swapped. But still might be 100,000 or 2.
     
  2. Nov 7, 2007 #82 of 137
    newsposter

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    and also that hdtivo is also gonna be useful for OTA and SD with a nice big hard drive :) so it wont be useless.
     
  3. Nov 7, 2007 #83 of 137
    MichaelK

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    wow- I'm shocked more people than that haven;t moved from mpeg2 to mpeg4. maybe my 600,000 starting point was way off...
     
  4. Nov 7, 2007 #84 of 137
    MichaelK

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    you obviously can ask doris, but i beleive alaska is also mpeg4 SD and maybe even hawaii?
     
  5. Nov 7, 2007 #85 of 137
    MichaelK

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    exactly at some point they figure it's cheaper to get a new customer that spends as much as you then to give you X amount of credits to stay.

    So if one has a cow and demands 700 in credits but they figure a new sub spends as much as you but only costs them 600 to steal from cable then you can take a walk.
     
  6. Nov 7, 2007 #86 of 137
    cramer

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    But they'll still charge you $299 "lease upgrade" for harware you still don't own, and $749 to buy it out right. Personally, I think the FCC should stand up and make DTV AND DISH return every penny they stole from subscribers for all these "lease upgrade" fees. Comments like that are cast iron proof they're screwing us.

    The people who have standard, non-DVR, receivers shouldn't be much of an impedament to MPEG4 rollout. Those receivers are extremely cheap and simple. If DTV wants to replace my Sony SAT-B2, they're welcome to do so. (of course, it's attached to a 19" tube tv.) However, I'm not paying them anything nor am I signing any contract. The SD receivers are in the sub-$20 range -- I've taken several apart and marveled at how they get all that from a Z80 and TI DSP -- there's a reason "4 room systems" have been free for 5+ years. The HD one's are more expensive, but still much less than my bill every month.

    DTV has millions of customers. While they certainly should care about continuing to get our money, there are simply too few HR10's (ever) to be worth the costs or hassle. I doubt even a single email would be sent if 250k HR10 owners canceled at the exact same instant. We aren't even a rounding error in their total revenues. Now if they lost every TIVO owner, that'd show up in SEC filings. :) Tivo users tend to be very attached to the tivo interface (understatement of the year.) So I'm not very surprised that a lot of HR10's are still in use. Mine will still be in use long after MPEG2 HD is forgotten.

    PS: Ed seems to be forgetting all the mess from the original launch of locals. Many people needed a dual or triple LNB dish to get locals. That all changed when the spot beams were turned on. I remember Charlotte, NC locals being on 110 for a while. So, don't think DTV won't put SD locals on 99 and/or 103. Just don't expect them to switch existing MPEG2 SD locals (via spot beam) to MPEG4. There's about 8m receivers they'd have to replace before they did that.
     
  7. Nov 7, 2007 #87 of 137
    bonscott87

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    Actually as Tivo quoted in their Q2 conference call they are losing 140,000+ DirecTV subs every quarter and growing rapidly. Meanwhile DirecTV is signing up record numbers of subs per quarter. So DirecTV subs with DirecTivo's (all of them, SD and HD) are shrinking fast but either most of those subs aren't leaving or if they are they are being replaced 2 for 1 by new subs. In other words DirecTV isn't concerned about the Tivo users leaving because so far they haven't or they've been easy to replace. Either way their bottom line is better which is all they care about in the end.

    Those few that hold on that DirecTV just must bring back Tivo or they are doomed to fail just aren't reading the facts of the situation. If they brought back Tivo then great, happy day. But they certainly don't *have* to do it.
     
  8. Nov 7, 2007 #88 of 137
    bonscott87

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    Actually what he said was that the cost of the HD DVR that is in inventory is still around $430 to $440 each. They hope that by end of first quarter next year to have that down to $250 each.

    Conference call transcript: http://seekingalpha.com/article/53310-directv-q3-2007-earnings-call-transcript
     
  9. Nov 7, 2007 #89 of 137
    MichaelK

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    would make one wonder if the NCTA makes another filing to the FCC about how DBS should have to play by the 3rd party tuner rules like cable does....

    At some point though that will have to stop as more and more people go HD- they just wont be able to justify it compared to cable. Then again I've been saying that for years now and it hasn't seemed to stop them- so i guess i'm missing something. :confused:

    Comcast did say the other day they have more HD subs then DISH and Directv combined so maybe that's the result- but it sure isn't hurting DBS' bottom line.
     
  10. Nov 7, 2007 #90 of 137
    incog-neato

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    I agree with you 100%.

    The only call (followed by a USMail and Email) I got from D* was telling me the HR10-250 will have a software upgrade in the first QUARTER (that takes us till the end of March) of 2008 "to increase my viewing enjoyment" and they even named some new features. They never even hinted at upgrading hardware to get the new programming.

    That call tells me 2 things:

    #1) They aren't rushing to get rid of the legacy users and the 7 mpeg 2 channels (or why would they have wasted the effort & expense to even make that call, and mail the letter and email?). If they were trying was to get everyone to switch post haste they would have just said nothing at all or called to warn us to upgrade now.

    #2) They are in no hurry to dump the legacy customers.

    However, on the other hand, a simple email FROM ME via the D* website got me 1 of my 3 HR10's upgraded at no charge to an HR21<grrr, wanted a 20>, new dish & 1 yr of HD access. I could have got the other 2 replaced for $50 each but I figure I'll make use of my protection plan when the time is ripe. I stuck the HR21 in my home office connected to my computer monitor and Slingbox just to have one to play with at home.

    In most cases, don't expect to be offered anything right now. You'll have to make the effort to contact them. The deals are still there if one takes the initiative.




     
  11. Nov 7, 2007 #91 of 137
    incog-neato

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    That came by email. :) It just reflects current launches.
     
  12. Nov 7, 2007 #92 of 137
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    It was hard to follow his answers on the phone. Especially with my kids screaming in the background. Hard to believe I heard it that wrong though...
     
  13. Nov 7, 2007 #93 of 137
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    Don't think so, at least from the posts over at dbstalk by everyone screaming that their football game was not broadcast in HD, think they are a lot more concerned then what you think.
     
  14. Nov 7, 2007 #94 of 137
    bonscott87

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    And the multi-dozen page thread about NHL Center Ice in HD. ;)
     
  15. Nov 7, 2007 #95 of 137
    ebonovic

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    As noted in the conference call today.... their current "blitz" of advertising is not just to attact new customers... but also to let their current customers know what is out there on the system.

    Which at least at this point.... is directly tied to letting those HD customers know, that there is a lot more out there then what they are getting now.

    And then when that person calls, or goes and does research to find out whey they are not getting it... boom... they find out they need new equipment.

    They have recently in the LA area, started to call customers that are legacy equipment... as guess what is the first set of MPEG-2 channels to go bye-bye... LA DNS


     
  16. Nov 7, 2007 #96 of 137
    bonscott87

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    Actually we're both right. Farther down in the transcript he talks about the cost of the "standard" HD receiver, non DVR. H20/H21. Those are the numbers you posted.
     
  17. Nov 7, 2007 #97 of 137
    PrimeRisk

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    I've been offered to upgrade, but I'm not giving up my HR10 for nothing. Oddly I got one last January for free and giving up my HR10 wasn't part of the deal. Now the deals they've offered require surrendering the HR10 to them. I'm not trading a box I own for a rental. I guess I'll see what happens as the actual turn off date nears.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2007 #98 of 137
    Matt L

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    You know the one, and only one, thing that would get an HR20 into my home tomorrow would be to drop the 2 year commitment. I've sub'd D for over 7 years, if they can't trust me with a piece of their equipment, I've always bought my own, then they really don't want my business.

    I've read enough about the HR20 to know It's not gonna be my favorite piece of equipment, but I would not be adverse to adding it to the pile of equipment sitting under my TV and paying a mirroring fee. But --- just don't expect me to pay $300 for the privilege to use it, or be tied to you for 2 years, just so you can make more money.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2007 #99 of 137
    dthreet

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    I think the perosn you spoke with that told you december 15th you would get ota only has no clue what there talking about. December 15th you have to upgrade to the HD extra pack to get most of the older mpeg 2 hd channels. I think its $4.99 extra a month. I think directv is starting to offer people in some markets free upgrade to the HR20 and HR21 that have HR10-250's. I would not cancel directv over some mixed up phone call. Alot of people after they get use to the new dvr like it better. I hated it at first, now I love it. No burps on any of my new hd channels. There is like 75 new hd channels now. Since Video On Demand is National now on the HR20-100 and 700, I am in heaven.
     
  20. Nov 8, 2007 #100 of 137
    dthreet

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    your in luck, they dont want you hr10-250
     

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