Is Bright House Networks trying to scare TiVo CableCARD Customers into switching STBs

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  1. innocentfreak

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    I received the following letter from BHN yesterday related to some new channels that are moving to SDV. As you can see the language has been significantly clarified to state that TAs can be used to receive the SDV programming. Looks like my complaints to the FCC about BHN may be coming to an end! :)

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  4. nrc

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    Classic case of abiding by the letter of the law while still making things as confusing as possible for the consumer. The first couple of times that I skimmed through that letter I still thought it was saying that those channels weren't going to be available. A lot of people who don't understand the technical terms are going to be confused by that.
     
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    Agree that the letter could be interpreted in that way. If you compare it to the previous version it is an improvement.

    The frustration that MegaZone highlighted in his original post and is still evident today is that I shouldn't even receive the letter to begin with since I'm a user who has 3 CableCARD boxes and 3 Tuning Adapters. They should only be sending the letter to a user who has more CableCard's than tuning adapters.

    I'm not convinced that the letter is malicious. They've written the letter to comply with the FCC mandate. It will be interesting to see if BHN ultimately strikes a deal with TiVo. I'm looking for them to follow whatever TWC does and I'm speculating that TiVo is in advanced talks with TWC right now to open up their VOD to TiVo retail boxes similar to the new Comcast deal which is rolling out in San Fran early next year.
     
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    I sure hope so. My DirecTivos are gasping their last breaths, and I'm soon going to revamp all our TVs. Since what I read about the new DirecTivos isn't looking very good, I might switch to Brighthouse if indeed they'll get a Tivo that works well with it.

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  7. lrhorer

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    Depending on exactly what you mean by "very good", you may be dismayed to learn a Premier has many of the same or neaarly the same limitations when used on a network like BHN. MRV and TTG are limited to the local broadcast channels. OTOH, internet based services like Netflix and Amazon VOD work just fine - or as fine as they work on any TiVo.
     
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    While such a database search and correlation may not be hideously difficult, I would not expect a company to go to the trouble to have programmers issue such a filter on the mailing list for a one-time mailing.

    I would say it is highly unlikely that it is.

    I'm highly skeptical. Of course, anything is possible, and it is certainly technicallly feasible, but TiVo just isn't even a blip on TWC's RADAR. What's more, TWC is highly conservative when it comes to anything not conducive to large amounts of additional revenue unless it is mandated by law, and UDCPs are specifically excepted from requirements for 2-way services.
     
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    TW is the largest MSO that TiVo either hasn't made a deal with or sued. I would guess that they would have been next on the list to sue if they didn't have some kind of open dialog going on with TW.
     
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    That may be true, but it doesn't mean TWC is going to relent on any feature not required by the FCC. CableLabs fought hard to have such two-way features specifically excluded in the FCC regs, and I expect TWC was high on the list of proponents of the exclusion.
     
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    IMHO, TWC will either be sued or strike a deal within the next 6-9 months. AT&T, Motorola Mobility and VZ are going to trial early next year. This is based on comments on their last earnings call.
     
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    Sued for what? FCC regulations are explicit and perfectly clear: CATV providers are not required to provide any interactive services whatsoever on 3rd party equipment. The one exception is SDV, and that only through the auspices of the regulation requiring all regularly scheduled programming must be available to 3rd party equipment owners.

    All three of those are IP based, which is a completely different kettle of fish from SDV video. The protocols are open source and widely supported, and very little in the way of development is required on the TiVo side and even less on the vendor side. It also happens none of those entities are members of CableLabs.

    By comparison, while integrating other interactive protocols with SDV is to be sure possible, it requires a great deal more in the way of development for TiVo and especially for the CATV systems, requiring them to integrate the protocols used by the UDCP with their own billing systems and headend controllers. This is something CableLabs has adamantly refused to do, and they have consistently shot down every proposal submitted by 3rd party manufacturers, TiVo included. They even shot down TiVo's proposal to split the identity of their device, providing sand-boxes for the TiVo code and the CATV company's code so that regular DVR functions would be available under the TiVo UI, and then if the consumer wants to watch VOD or IPPV, the box would switch to the CATV company's UI and shut down all recording functions. CableLabs turned them down flat.
     
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    Agree. They will sue TWC for violation of their Time Warp Patent and some of the other more recent patents that TWC is currently violating with the technology they've deployed to their customers.

    Sorry for getting a bit off-topic!
     

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