Is anything next after Premier ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by paul_w_downing, Apr 26, 2011.

  1. paul_w_downing

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    Everyone has some great points.

    You've all given me much to think about before I drop $ on HDTV Upgrades. As much as I want an HDTV the drag along upgrade impact (TiVo's, AV Receivers, Subscriptions), seems unjustified. (For me anyway, your mileage may vary). If I do go HDTV in the fall unless something changes, it will most likely be without TiVo. I can live with Live OTA for 1080i (live sports), bluray for 1080p (occasional blockbuster movies), streaming (netflix / hulu / amazon) at 720p (every day sit-coms) and my S2's as backups at 480i.

    When the next great thing comes out that has the features I want, then I'll drop all my add-ons and move to one box. Hopefully it is a TiVo, but if not (HTPC, PS/4, whatever) then that's the marketplace.

    As I mentioned before 1080i does not make shows stink any less than they already do from a content perspective. I agree 1080p looks amazing compared side by side to SDTV. But it is just TV after all.

    Thanks again for all the quality help, without making me feel foolish for asking these questions.
     
  2. jmccorm

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    If you are a TiVo Premier owner, I must say, congratulations. You are one of those amazingly lucky owners that do not have a problem with bugs. Was this just blind luck, or do you have some secrets to share?

    If a starting point would help, I'd like to know how to make Netflix not lock up the entire unit. Or do I misunderstand the way those sort of things should work?
     
  3. innocentfreak

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    No problems with mine.

    I have never had Netflix lock up my unit. I play shows and movies constantly from the episode guide and TiVo Search.
     
  4. jmccorm

    jmccorm Special Forum Guest

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    Is my problem uncommon?
     
  5. innocentfreak

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    No idea. I don't know what your problem is. Most people who seem to have issues seem to be network related.
     
  6. TheWGP

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    Here's hoping that the $300 million immediate boost lets Tivo at least do SOMETHING to help the Premier. I think they've GOT to know it needs work before replacing it... I could definitely see a 4-tuner "premium premiere" model though.
     
  7. orangeboy

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    No problems with mine, either. I'm hardwired through switches and MoCA adapters to my router and cable modem, so wireless interference isn't an issue for me. Is that the difference? Dunno. But like I said, no problems for me. Well, I take that back. On a rare occasion, it will down-res to SD, and I'll left-arrow to the menu and resume play to regain the HD stream. I can live with that.
     
  8. atmuscarella

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    I can not speak to Netflix as I do not use it. I also do not use the HDUI for several reasons but mostly because I want the same UI on all my TiVos. The HDUI mostly worked ok for me however the HDUI did have problems when my ISP was having problems so I will say that I believe the HDUI is too dependent on both a good Internet connection and a good connection to the TiVo servers, if you are having problems with either the HDUI becomes problematic. Some people seem to be having real problems with their Premieres so if you are you are not alone. But I honestly believe most of us are not. If you are still within the 90 warranty I would talk to TiVo and see if they will replace it under the warranty.

    Good Luck,
     
  9. jmccorm

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    The problem, of course, is the TiVo rebooting while watching Netflix. I did some more reading. According to threads located all over this forum, it appears as though this is a case of bad error handling (programming). Instead of catching an exception condition (one that can be very reasonably anticipated), the entire box crashes.

    It may be a bad network connection that spawns the event, but I expect my TiVo to act similar to something like PC, or really any other Netflix device. When I'm watching Netflix on my PC, if it runs into a hiccup on the network, my entire PC shouldn't spontaneously reboot. A network glitch may be the trigger, but the result should not be a reboot.

    Yet, apparently, this is my fault for not providing a guaranteed end-to-end data path between my home and Netflix's datacenter?

    In another note, this discussion seems to have gone down the path of most discussions that point out TiVo problems.

    Person A: "TiVo has bugs"
    Person B: "It works fine for me. Perhaps you are doing it wrong. Perhaps your expectations are wrong."
    Person A: "Here is an example. [points out extremely well known and common issue]"
    Person B and/or C: "That doesn't happen for me. Perhaps you are doing it wrong."

    The plain and simple truth is that it is a bug: bad error handling. Some people have conditions, which are still within the range of being quite normal, which will tickle the bug more than others. For those that hit it, the level of annoyance is quite high.
     
  10. bmgoodman

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    I'm glad I amuse you. I really never considered that the unfinished UI would be a matter of opinion. I believe it was stated before, by a Tivo rep, that the Premiere was being released with only a handful of HD screens completed and that in time this would be corrected, as more screens were converted to HD. Lately, I hear no such comments. So I suppose they ARE "done". Thank you for showing me the light, comrade.

    You just keep preaching Tivo. They can clearly do no wrong in your eyes. But I see a company that is increasingly bureaucratic and decreasingly communicative with its "fans". I see a company that's very slow to respond, that's making error after error, from UI to pricing to product strategy. Who knows what they're working on?

    I don't wish them ill. I still think they have the best product for cable TV and OTA. BUT, it's *not* TO ME so far ahead of its competition, compared to years past.

    So I get to keep my opinion, much as you get keep yours. But I will conclude by stating that in years past, I "sold" a dozen or more Tivos to friends, family, and co-workers. Now I "sell" none. And I *highly* doubt I'm the only one. They're losing much of their unofficial sales channel, and that bodes ill. I only hope you can pick up the slack. You better get crackin'!
     
  11. Jonathan_S

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    On the Premieres, where many UI screens were never upgraded to HD I think "unfinished" isn't an unfair characterization. You click on some option and jump from the glossy new HD interface back to the old style SD one..

    Now "finished" isn't the same thing and final and never to be changed. Obviously there's still room for improvements after ever screen has been upgraded to a consistent HD look, and hopefully TiVo will continue to make those improvements. But the SD screens that haven't been upgraded yet are an easy thing to point to, because AFAIK none of the software releases have reduced the number of SD style menu screens; leading to a believe the no progress is being made on the UI at all.
     
  12. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I see a company that is in a market that even Apple would not want to compete in. I see a company that has survived in this market while the very few other entrants come and go.

    This reality does not negate any opinion expressed or held in the forum, the reality does however directly effect how TiVo can/will respond to such opinions.
     
  13. atmuscarella

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    In this line lays our difference of opinions. Changing what are referred to in these forums as SD screens to something that looks like what is referred to in these forums as HD screens is NOT an upgrade in my opinion. I do not find uselessly flashy screens to be an upgrade in any way to fully functioning text based menus. When it comes to any UI I evaluate it based on how easy it is for me to get done what I want to get done. Of course my individual opinion or pretty much anyones individual opinion is irrelevant to what TiVo should do.

    Thanks,
     
  14. innocentfreak

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    You mean like every other product out there?

    My friend loves his Nissan yet mine was the biggest piece of junk I ever owned and will never touch one again. Who is correct?

    I also never assigned blame. I merely pointed out the majority of issues seem to stem from network related issues.
     
  15. shwru980r

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    I've watched various shows where they had to switch back and forth between the HD feed and the SD feed and I found it annoying. It takes time for my eyes to adjust to a resolution change. I would think the HDUI is having the same effect on people, with some of the screens still being SD.
     
  16. jmccorm

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    Network issues are likely the trigger. And not an unexpected one. The real problem stems from poor error handling inside of the TiVo. First, that it doesn't handle a condition that is reasonably expected to happen, and second that the severity of the mishandling is a full system reboot.

    I can forgive TiVo for those two items. Programming mistakes happen. What I have trouble forgiving TiVo for is letting those problems (and many others) go unresolved for so long.

    If TiVo can't handle glaring bugs in their latest product, I really don't see there being much point in anything after the Premier.
     
  17. hoagie

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    I've used PlayOn for a couple years before I got my Samsung 55C7000 and you know what I found out when I tried it with the new HD tv set?? Play on is totally worthless for transcribing content to High Definition. I haven't used it since. I'd much rather download a high definition video file from Bittorrent then try through hulu.. I'm going to predict that you're going to have the same issue when you try PlayOn on whatever HD set you get, Paul..
     
  18. paul_w_downing

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    hoagie,

    Thanks, I'm sure your right :(

    I'm currently watch some streaming, on a 24 inch 1080p stand alone monitor that has HDMI input via my Blu Ray player. I would rank them as follows.

    Blu Ray - 9/10 - (well it is a small $150 pc monitor after all not a real TV)
    NETFLIX via Blu Ray - 7/10
    Amazon (via Playon) - 7/10
    Hulu (via Playon) - 6/10
    Netflix (via Playon) - 6/10
    SD "streaming" via slingbox - 4/10

    I'm sure when I get my 60 inch monster TV (or 42 inch if my wife wins). The need for true HD will be obvious. I just hope that by that time, there are more choice in the market place. I just don't see dropping $600 on Premier + Lifetime at this time with all the issues and limitations (from my pov). Maybe if they come out with a new SW release and boards light up with praise, I will change my mind. My S2's are rock solid, they just work 100% of the time. I don't want to worry about sudden reboots and 1/2 finished interfaces.

    Playon is definately a gap product for me. I bought it when you could purchase "BASIC" for life for $19.00. Basicially it is a lifeline to keep my SD TV viable and allow me to cut the cord a while longer.
     
  19. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    TiVo could get credit for the second coming and complaint threads will be started. :p
     
  20. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much this.

    Even if TiVo came up with the ultimate dream box for free, people would still complain on here. This would be especially true if they came out with a second version for free that had new features that didn't work on the first free box.
     

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