Is anything next after Premier ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by paul_w_downing, Apr 26, 2011.

  1. paul_w_downing

    paul_w_downing Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Lake Orion MI


    I can't justify moving to Premier from S2 Lifetime. Is there anything else coming from TiVo anytime soon, or do I just let my S2's (and TiVO in general)die on the vine. We use it less and less each month.

    Any new hardware or rumors about TiVo, or is Premier it for the next few years.

    Why is this important ?

    Well, when I do buy a new HDTV in the fall I will probably drop TiVo altogether and just go 100% streaming. Then TiVo will probably not make it back into the house ever. Which is a shame because I have loved it so for the past many years.

    We are already streaming 80% of what we watch, and TiVo is just there more or less as a backup.

    I will miss my old friend TiVo, but I can think of many many things I would rather do with $1000's per year in savings.

    My Setup is...
    - Playon Software Streams (Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, more) to WD Live, which goes to AV input on my S2. I also have 10 "lifeline" channels that came free with the cable modem I use for internet to catch "broadcast" content. Currently we watch an SD TV. But the WDLive box will support HD if I ever get one.
  2. ufo4sale

    ufo4sale Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Gilbert Arizona
    Coming this year you would be able to stream from one Premier to another but I don't tihnk that's what your talking about.
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    There are rumors of a 4 tuner TiVo and some sort of dumb extender type advice to stream shows from it to other rooms. However I don't think any of it has been confirmed by TiVo, so who knows when/if it will actually hit the market.

  4. shady

    shady Previously European TCF Club

    May 31, 2002
    What is it you want from your TiVo? If you can't justify moving to a Premier at the moment, then what do you want from a new TiVo box that would justify the move?

    Also, I'm not sure where the $1,000's per year in savings will come from.
  5. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

    Apr 6, 2000
    SF Bay Area


    The Premiere (Series 4) is the current Tivo model, before that, its the Tivo HD and HD XL, Series 3. These will do streaming through Netflix, youtube, downloads from amazon. Series 2 does not do any of these because they are incapable for streaming.
  6. SpiritualPoet

    SpiritualPoet Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    I wondered about the savings, too.

    Once I invested in the hardware and purchased lifetime plans, I pay ZERO monthly or annually.

    My investment was a ONE-TIME investment and TiVo has paid me back immeasurably by allowing me FULL CONTROL of my viewing habits (and archiving)!

    TiVo equipment/service IS PRICELESS! I can't say that about any rented or leased DVR from any source! (unless it happens to be a rented/leased TiVo device, of course!)
  7. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

    Apr 19, 2004
    East Moline, IL
    When was this announcement made?
  8. ufo4sale

    ufo4sale Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Gilbert Arizona
    I heard it somewhere, don't remember where. But I do remember that they wanted to be able to work around the copyright flags that some people get when using MRV.
  9. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    Can we just finish the Premiere first, before moving to the next product?
  10. paul_w_downing

    paul_w_downing Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Lake Orion MI
    Thanks for all the tips / rumors.

    I gave some thought to the question, what do I want from Tivo on the drive home tonight.

    How about an uber directory to all sources of content.

    Eg a Seasons Pass, where it will try to identify that hulu, or netflix, OTA, Amazon, or whatever has the content I am looking for. That would totally get me back on board and would be worth paying for. Also the ability to store that content regardless of where it was streamed from.

    Plus full DNLA compatibilty, so I can stream content from my 4TB storage server, or turn Tivo into my storage server and stream content from that to other devices.

    On the quesiton of Savings.

    Comcast Internet Only = $50
    Comcast Plus Content = $175.

    $125 / month x 12 Months / Year = $1500.

    OK, Subtract a little for Netflix, and the occasional purchase from Amazon, but still substancial savings.

    Tivo Priemer ~ $200, TiVo Lifetime ~$300 = $500 x 2 Sets = $1000.

    OK So this is not so much an arguement against Tivo as it is for streaming.

    I understand that Premier can do streaming sort of.

    I think the current state of its capability is only netflix, and amazon. If / when it supports hulu that will only be hulu plus.

    So my point is why do I need tivo for streaming netflix when my Wii's, Xbox, and PS3 can all stream netflix. If Tivo only supports Hulu Plus, I still want to get hulu basic from somewhere else or have to pay another fee to get hulu plus.

    Plus every Blu Ray, HD TV, and any other device I can shake a stick at can also stream, netflix, and hulu, and in many cases amazon.

    So, in a streaming world, what does this or any future generation of Tivo have to offer me.

    Trust me I want to be convinced. I love Tivo have used it for 10 years, but I just don't see the value moving forward. I hope there is some must have feature in future versions.

    To the poster. "Why don't we let tivo finish their current version". This is my main hesitation for premier. It has been out a while. Why is it not finished. Why are there so many problems posted about it. Why would I pay $500 for something that is only 70% baked ? The only problems I used to see on S2 was people who were having problems upgrading their hard drives (for the most part).

    Thanks for the help.
  11. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I don't have a Premiere (but a single-device 4 tuner box, at the right price, could convince me to upgrade)..

    But if you're getting EVERYTHING via streaming, then it sounds like it's not for you.. But if you still want to record TV, have it find time slot changes, use autorecording wishlists, etc.. then get a Tivo.. it's that simple.
  12. JPS10

    JPS10 New Member

    Nov 26, 2010
    Once you finally get an HDTV of reasonable size, you may not be so impressed with streaming. I do some streaming but there are many things for which an HD Tivo of any flavor is the way to go. I would not even consider going without my premiere at this point and looking at the state of tech and the TV business, I am a long way from even considering streaming only. When I really want to treat myself, only Blu Ray will do.
  13. Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

    Mar 14, 2010
    You got it right. Streamed or downloaded content (SD) looks just passable on my 32" LCD, but the horrid inferiority to even U.S. standard 5.0 MBps DVD (yes, plain old SD DVD), are acutely apparent on the 40" LCD, and one can only imagine even WORSE on larger screens. I personally don't like the current 720P limit on most streaming sites, as this makes any advantage to the larger screens pointless (yes, on occasion, I do sit just a few feet away from the display due to the seating arrangement on one house).

    The backbone has to get bigger, but who is going to pay for that?
  14. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

    Feb 5, 2011
    Whitewater, WI
    :up: +1!

    That's exactly what I said in the "comments" section of the TiVo Advisor survey that was asking about new products and new features to go with them!
  15. bmgoodman

    bmgoodman Member

    Dec 20, 2000
    Here's another chance for me to say:

    If you're considering buying a product, but you *really want* it to have Feature XYZ, then you should only buy it if it already HAS Feature XYZ.

    It's that easy. If you follow this simple rule, you won't be disappointed. Sure, you may wait longer to make your purchase. You might NEVER buy a product at all.

    I'm *still* waiting for a smart phone that has all the features I want. It hasn't been made yet, though we're getting closer.

    As for the Premiere, I think Tivo will make a half-hearted attempt to toss in a few more HD screens and then declare they're finished. A week later, Premiere Plus will debut.
  16. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

    Apr 18, 2002
    Fairfax, VA
    I have no problems streaming or downloading HD content from the likes of Vudu, Xbox, Amazon, or Netflix. Looks good. Not Blu-ray good, but good.
  17. TheWGP

    TheWGP Hmmm...

    Oct 26, 2007
    I kind of agree with you, but also kind of agree with the prior poster. I've found the quality to be heavily connection dependent, obviously. Also depends what you tend to watch a lot of - I've had bad luck with pixelated transfers and so on for older movies, for example, but it's not a pervasive issue and is completely understandable IMO.

    Really, if you're willing to fork out for the extra bandwidth to really take advantage of streaming (and what about multiple streams going in the house at once, like if you/your wife/kids decide to watch different things?) then sure, go for it. I kind of think the Tivo is like a security blanket a little bit - it makes sure stuff is there for you regardless of issues with streaming providers, unavailable episodes, Internet connection, and so on... but maybe I'm just afraid to let go! ;)
  18. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2001
    It's not in season passes, but the TiVo search which the Premiers have (and the TiVo HDs/S3s have a beta form of) is at least halfway there. (Once you set up a season pass, show upcoming will only show the OTA/cable showing.)

    But Search for a show or movie and it'll search OTA/cable, Amazon, Blockbuster streaming, and Netflix and show you which it's avalible on. TiVo doesn't have Hulu Plus support yet, but I assume when that's added Hulu searching will also merge into that search.

    (Oh, and you have the option to try that search on youtube as well, but those results aren't merged in because they'd swamp everything else.)
  19. paul_w_downing

    paul_w_downing Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Lake Orion MI
    I guess I'll sit on the sidelines a while more and see if new features are added to premier or better hardware comes from TiVo to support everything I want. Meanwhile I have a perfectly fine working installation, except in SD vs. HD.

    I would like to see the following (if anyone from TiVo is listening).

    #1 Make my TiVo the Media Server of my house, with the ability to stream to/from any DLNA target. (and multiple targets at the same time)

    #2 Source neutral Inputs and Recording Capability. (Cable, Sat, OTA, AV or HDMI, Internet (hulu basic, hulu plus, netflix, amazon, espn3, etc)

    #3 Full Browser Support, for example to watch shows that are only on the source website, but not streamed through any service.

    #4 Full cross indexed search and Seasons pass capability across all available sources from #2.

    All in a stable, well supported platform for under $300 + subscriptions.

    Is this asking to much ?

    I think anything less than this they will lose long term in the market place.

    I read recently that Netflix has more subscribers than Comcast. If anyone thinks that streaming is not the wave of the future they have their heads in the sand. These are the same people that said that cell phones will never replace land lines. I understand all the limitations of streaming, but it will get fixed because this is what the consumer is demanding. Not time shifting, but instant on demand of everything. TiVo removed the contraints and made time shifting easy, fun, possible. But I fear if they don't get ahead of the curve on these other topics it will be too late for them. Tivo could be a hybrid between timeshifting and streaming. What if it used (legal) bittorrent like features to move HD content around the internet off hours ? So if you did not mind waiting 24 hours you could have full HD1080P video stored on your TiVo. Otherwise you can stream live at 720p ?

    When I shut off cable (video), my kids did not even notice for about 3 months. They were already watching everything they cared about online on their PC's, Wii, Xbox.

    Stream Baby Stream !
  20. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY

    What you asked for was a high end HTPC for $300 - you do get what a joke that is don't you?

    If you built a HTPC yourself that had both cable card and OTA DVR support the bottom end would be over $1000. If you purchased a custom built one you are talking about several thousands of dollars.

    You might just as well expect BMW to build you a 7 series car for 20 grand.


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