Is anyone happy with the HD menus?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by rbienstock, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. toml

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    I like the look and added features of the new HD menus. But they are a bit too slow.

    I really like all the information you can see on the screen. I've even used the suggestions at the top of the screen, which are interesting. I like the fact that the suggestions change based on what I'm looking at in the main screen. Navigating is easy and intuitive -- just what I would expect from TiVo.

    So, other than the delays, I really like the new menus. I wish all the menus were HD instead of having them switch to SD for some of the sub menus.
     
  2. Ruth

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    I like the HD menus more than I expected I would (once I turned off the horribly annoying PIP window, anyway). I see what they are trying to do. And I like some of the information that is now provided that wasn't there before (like how TV shows are labelled "Season 2, episode 12" instead of just giving you the episode number and leaving it for you to decode).

    But it's horribly clunky jumping between HD and SD menus since more than half of them don't seem to have been redone in HD yet. I understand what's happening, but if I were a new TiVo user I think I'd be really confused about why half the menus look completely different than the other half, for no apparent reason.

    Also they have moved some things around in ways that make no sense to me. Why on earth is the option for time/channel recordings not listed under "Find TV, Movies & Videos," for example? Are you not attempting to find things when you browse by channel?
     
  3. aaronwt

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    Why would time/channel recordings be listed under "Find TV, Movies & Videos," ? that wouldn't make sense to me. I would be looking all over the place for it if it was listed there. I think the HDUI makes more sense than the SDUI did. I can't stand using only the SDUI anymore. I can't wait until they redo all the menus.
     
  4. Ruth

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    Huh. Apparently your brain works the same way as the TiVo menu designers. I am interested in your thought process though because I don't understand it at all.

    Here's my logic: I search by time or channel when I'm trying to FIND something that is on TV at a certain time or on a certain channel. I'm trying to "Find TV" so I would expect that option to be located in the "Find TV" menu. More specifically, it seems like it should appear under Find TV, Movies & Video/Browse TV & Movies -- because that is precisely what I am trying to do. I'm trying to find a TV show or movie by browsing through a channel. Channel search is another way to search for a program, just like searching by title or setting up a wishlist. It makes no sense at all to me to put it in a totally different menu tree from those things.

    To me, "manage recordings" logically should apply only to recordings that already exist, not new ones that I am still attempting to set up. After all, before I've found them in the guide and scheduled them to record, they aren't recordings that can be managed yet.
     
  5. Mike-Mike

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    I am in the same boat as Ruth. hi ruth.
     
  6. Ruth

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    Hi Mike!

    Luckily, the remote shortcut to browse by channel still works. :p Well, that and I know how to RTFM. :D Still, though, that one was a very counterintuitive UI change to me.

    I miss "keep until [date]" a lot too. I use that one a lot. I hear that they are working on it, though, and hopefully will add it back in soon.
     
  7. randyny

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    I couldn't wait to get the Premier. The specs of the processor had me all excited about the potential for a fast gui. What a letdown. What a spectacular letdown. This is not knee-jerk either. I've been using it since day one of release, and I've had every Tivo since series 1. I also experience the exact same bugs and performance issues as other folks on this thread so I know it's not bad hardware.

    I tested out and liked the beta tivo search on the series three. But since it took so long to navigate I only used it sporadically. I can't stand the lag on the premier. I went back to standard menus only to find the netflix icon not on my now playing list so I went back to hd menus. Then I though I needed to restart to fix what I thought was exceptional lag but I could not find the restart tivo in the hd menus. So I switched back to sd to restart.

    Take forever to draw the pictures, fine, I get it -you're going to the internet. But when it takes 3 seconds to page down in the my shows list.... And, it wont even cache the key presses until I traverse the list first.

    I am hoping that future upgrades will improve the speed. Dramatically. Tivo will not lose me as a customer because I've been tivo-ized and can not go back to regular tv. Oh well. Here's to the future.
     
  8. deandashl

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    It's interesting that old S2 people complain that S3 menu's are slower.

    Then...

    Old S3 people are complaining that the S4 menu's are too slow.

    So as the hardware gets MUCH faster and faster; yet TiVo's menu's get slower and slower.

    This would have been easier if TiVo had updated the S3 UI. At least, the UI would look like it was native. Right now the S3 UI looks like something from the Windows 3.1 generation. Sad really.
     
  9. RichB

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    From my old days working in processor development, my boss used to say. No matter how fast we make the hardware, the software folks will figure out how to make it slow. That was over 20 years ago and nothing has changed :p

    Something is very wrong with Flash and/or the software design. The good news, is it is so bad, there should be ample opportunity for improvement.:rolleyes:

    - Rich
     
  10. chrispitude

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    What he said. We tried the HD menus for one night. We started exploring some of the new episode browsing capability and the suggestions along the top. We both agreed these were promising, but after only 30 minutes my wife ordered me to switch back to SD. She couldn't stand it anymore, and neither could I.

    A DVR caters to those whose time is precious, so TV watching can be done on your schedule. This UI makes it painfully obvious that you're wasting multiple minutes just trying to navigate around in it.

    Well, like a previous poster said, the only promising thing is that this is so bad that it's gonna have to get fixed... right?
     
  11. Ruth

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    Couple more UI things that are bugging me: If you are in a folder that lists several shows, you used to be able to press channel down and it would take you directly to the last show in the list. Now, it is populating several menu options at the end of the list, and channel down takes you to the last menu option. So you have to scroll back up again to get to the shows. It's no longer a shortcut -- you might as well scroll from the top.

    Also, you don't seem to be able to jump from one episode to the next from the full episode descrition screen. You have to go back to the list. Why would they take that out? Was such a useful shortcut.

    And yes, it's sloooooooow. I will say though that if you re-order your SP list, that goes hugely faster than it did before. This gives me hope that it can all be speeded up. Of course that is in an old-style menu w/o flash.
     
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  14. jaywtivo

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    I'm thinking of heading out to buy a Tivo Premiere this weekend. I talked to a TiVo sales guy today, and mentioned the concerns with the slow menus.

    Can I ask, are most of you using boxes you purchased shortly after Premiere was released? The Sales guy implied that, Yes Tivo takes 'those kinds' of concerns seriously, and that maybe the first units were slower. Of course, he doesn't see a problem with the speed of the HD menus on the units he was trained on.
     
  15. orangeboy

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    Yes, we're all using new hardware. The Premiere was released only about a month ago, so I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a hardware revision yet. Take a look at bkdtv's Prerelease FAQ to explore the Premiere's capabilities here: http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=444083. I'm happy with my Premiere. It complements the Series2 and Series3 that I have...
     
  16. randyny

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    I have time to write another message. (I was watching a Netflix movie and made the mistake of hitting "pause". Now tivo is rebooting.)

    I think the effect of the slowness gets cumulative over time. When I first got it it was easier to overlook because I do think the menus look great and I was bouncing through the recommendations and all the good stuff. Now as I use it to just watch recorded shows it gets frustrating with the waiting. I hope this can be resolved somehow.

    I am off with my wife and son to the petting zoo. Enjoy the day!
     
  17. falcon26

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    I use the SD menu. To me its 10 times as fast and 10 times as reliable over the HD menu. And 99% of the time I don use 99% of the features of the HD menu anyway...
     
  18. gamo62

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    Are there any differences between the THD and the Premiere (without full implementation of HD menus)?
     
  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The Premiere is faster
     
  20. eddieb187

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    My Premere XL in SD mode is much faster than my TiVo HD.
    Especially after a reboot. THD guide is slow for nearly 24 hours.
    Premiere recovers much faster.
     

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