Is anyone happy with the HD menus?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by rbienstock, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. r11roadster

    r11roadster High templar

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    aside from a few minor issues I am happy with the look/performance of the new menus

    1. won't delete the last played video in a folder and it takes too long.
    2. sometimes jumps back to TiVo central instead of now playing.

    that's pretty much all the negatives I can think of.
     
  2. mvnuenen

    mvnuenen ~0.0~

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    What ^he^ said. Never had a lock-up and I have yet to experience an action taking longer than 3 seconds. I have an XL, about 25% filled. Can't stand the SD menu anymore...

    I concur with the previous poster; the "did-not-delete" issue is annoying
     
  3. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    With 99.99 percent uptime for internet service it shouldn't be an issue. This was the uptime when I had comcast and also now with FiOS. It's extremely rare for me to lose internet service. About as rare as it was to lose my telephone landline when I had one.
     
  4. bmgoodman

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    Well, you and I agree that "it shouldn't be an issue", but I think it shouldn't be because Tivo shouldn't be doing it this way!

    Look, I'm no Chicken Little, but I'm definitely in a down-on-Tivo mood with this Premiere release. I'd love to know their return rate. How many new customers have given up on all these glitches, pauses, and delays on a consumer electronics product?

    As for me, I made a blunder keeping a Panasonic DVD recorder that from the start gave me a FEW problems, like freezes that required pulling the power cord. Somehow this stupid thing is more like a computer than a typical DVD player. I've even had to upgrade the firmware. And it's still a flaky, ridiculous machine that Panasonic isn't really supporting any longer. Should have followed my instincts and returned it immediately.

    Back to the topic at hand. I'll say when Rich S. Adams, a helpful non-complainer in my book, becomes disappointed in Tivo as he has stated in another thread recently, Tivo had better watch out!
     
  5. RichB

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    There are sub-menus displaying 10 items taking seconds to draw.
    Thje overhead that involved with getting data from the Internet is comparitively huge. Performance is all about reducing the number of calls, not the amount of data transfered.

    I unplugged the network and the menus are still slow. I suspect that Flash implementation is at fault. Submenus still take 1/2 second to start to display an probably another 1/2 to paint the 5 items. With a modern device, this is really bad performance.

    When a product is designed there has to be some performance goals and early prototyping to make sure the architecture is sound. Failure to do so, rarely results in a high-performance product. Want proof, press the TiVo button :p

    - Rich
     
  6. puckettcg

    puckettcg New Member

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    I generally like the HD menus better; I switched back from SD after the new update was released and since then I've only had one lock-up on one of my two Premieres. I did pull the plug pretty quick so it could have just been a slow to respond issue. When I first switched back, I thought the menus were a little quicker but still slow. They've actually gotten quicker since then. I'm close 50% on my XL; on my standard Premiere I'm "officially" at around 21% full, but have over a 100 suggestions recorded - so I don't think how full your drive is has anything to do with how quick the menus are.

    Speaking of suggestions - one thing I don't like about the HD menu is that unless I have suggestions set to record I can't even find the suggestions folder.
     
  7. Quaro

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    Blocking on network calls is a bad idea no matter how stable the network is. The UI knows exactly how big each image is, it shouldn't matter when the image is loaded or how fast the network is. It's the difference between 4 seconds and 4 milliseconds for a menu load.

    My network is mostly up, but often goes through periods of extreme slowness. Sometimes due to the provider, sometimes due to heavy traffic from other computers in the house. This shouldn't effect how quickly I can select the third episode down on the menu.

    I've got a Premiere on the way, so I'll post some impressions eventually. I suspect I'll be turning the SD menus on though, as I can't stand sluggish UIs in any device.
     
  8. vstone

    vstone Active Member

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    I am left wondering if they actually went looking for the slowest database they could find.

    I really don't care about the HD menus. I want the content in HD and I don't need pretty fonts to keep me amused while trying to find it.
     
  9. THE Frozo

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    Well, I havent had a TiVo in action since I put away my Series 2 a couple of years back. Now I have a 65" Plasma and Ive been itching to dump that God-awful Cablevision DVR.

    Unfortunately, based on whan Im seeing here, this is not the unit to enjoy the full HD experience with. Im really suprised and disappointed that TiVo has released these units before these blatant glitches were addressed.

    That said, I wont be buying the new Premiere. I really had some tax return money burning a hole in my pocket too. Sorry TiVo, for the money I need to buy your new buggy box plus the lifetime fee I think I'll be sticking with the beast I currently have. Sucks :(


    UPDATE:

    Just found this in the most recent Sticky FAQ:

    So even when they open up the second processor its still going to be sluggish, they are basically admitting. Honestly, I blame them for using Flash. Hell, at least they didnt use Java lol.

    So freaking disappointed.
     
  10. aaronwt

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    Where do you get that from that quote? It says"...Still, due to the architecture of that chip you don't get double the performance by enabling the second core.." how does that translate to sluggish. It just says it won't be double the performance. It could be 50%. I doubt a 50% increase would be sluggish. Especially when it's only slightly sluggish now. Or the increase could be 20% or 80%. Eitherway that statement only says it won't be double. Which I would not expect anyway.
     
  11. THE Frozo

    THE Frozo New Member

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    The very language they use is a red flag, in my opinion. In their own words they are admitting it wont be up to par. For a company to admit this at this point, sounds like a proactive statement to fend off high expectations. From what I am hearing (and seen video of about the sluggishness ), even 50% improvement would be less than satisfactory.
     
  12. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    50% increase would be very satisfactory for me. All my boxes seem fine. I've had no issues where it takes minutes for anything. At most a few seconds, but the norm is quicker than that.

    Like the "My Shows" IT initailly takes a split second to page down. After the inital page down, it's even faster paging thorugh it. ANy increase would make it seem instant.
     
  13. THE Frozo

    THE Frozo New Member

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    Well, of course Ill be curious to see how they fare in the next update. I WANT this to be good, believe me. But as of now there is no way I can purchase it, even if on principle alone.
     
  14. RichB

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    To be competitive, they need a 5X performance increase, which probably means something that is very poorly designed needs to be fixed. Horrors.

    - Rich
     
  15. THE Frozo

    THE Frozo New Member

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    I totally agree. I still think it has a lot to do with the decision to go with Flash though... Apparently Steve Jobs has a similar beef (just posted today on Apple's site) lol

    http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
     
  16. Quaro

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    Whether you can load a menu without stopping to load an image from the internet doesn't really have anything to do with flash. It doesn't really have anything to do with enabling both cores either, really. I doubt that will help this issue much.

    The upside is that the hardware should be plenty fast enough to not have lag. I think all of these issues can be resolved by changing the way they menus work underneath. At the very least, they should be able to get the speed to exactly match how fast it can be after you yank the network cable, which seems to be less than 1 second. That itself would be a big help.
     
  17. THE Frozo

    THE Frozo New Member

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    So hopefully any progress (or lack thereof) in the next update will be posted here so I get automatically notified. Very anxious to read your findings... if they manage to fix it, Im placing the order!
     
  18. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    it will not double the speed but having another core to do the internet pull work while the other does UI work will help.
    Also I have found I can start doing things on the menu before the discovery bar and all get loaded.
     
  19. dswallow

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    One doesn't need multiple cores to design responsive UI's. But having multiple cores definitely allows you to make poor programming design choices and still manage to produce a reasonably responsive UI.

    Of course, one can also make poor software design choices such that having multiple cores doesn't help at all. In fact, it's even possible to have multiple cores hurt your performance with poor software designs. :)

    We know that there's plenty of horespower in the single core units, even at lower performance than a single core in the Premiere, to run the recording functionality from two tuners, the playback of a recorded program, and the recording and/or serving of content via the network and still have a generally responsive UI.
     
  20. avg99

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    I think they need alot of work and speed increase, but could be a real rev for TiVo.
     

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