Is anyone happy with the HD menus?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by rbienstock, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. blackngold75

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    For the most part, I think the HD menus are OK. As others have mentioned, the transition from the HD to SD menus is sometimes rough.

    The performance has been usually pretty good, but a couple of times I have hit the tivo button and the screen goes black for a few seconds, then slowly paints in. The delays have not yet been enough to make me switch to the SD menus, but I have disabled the video window for now; I'm not really sure that I like it.
     
  2. aaronwt

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    I see no difference between my XL units and my non XL units. They both seem to perform identically.
     
  3. DeWitt

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    Agreed. I have one Premiere XL and one premiere. The only differences I have seen is the different start up animation.
     
  4. ltxi

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    .....not me. The old, classic, SD UI works just fine. I liked the disk usage meter. Other than than that, the HD UI is just a distracting and buggy pita as far as I'm concerned. But then, I'm also still addicted to classic XP.
     
  5. _Ryan_

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    I definitely prefer the HD menus. They're not quick, but not that bad at all. I turned off the video preview window because I found it annoying, and I think that may have sped up the menus a little bit - it also makes switching between live tv and the menu faster in my experience.
     
  6. ltxi

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    good point...I might try that
     
  7. dswallow

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    I'm sure that eventually the HD menus will be better than the SD menus.

    But for now, other than the erratic behavior of them, either in terms of them being slow at times, or how it has to switch between HD and SD menus often between screens, causing annoying delays and visual hiccups...

    I find it annoying how poorly they've used the available real estate.

    First, we have a technology here where almost all HD displays are edge-to-edge showing 100% of the imagery that is broadcast. No overscan. None. Ever. And we have TiVo menus still with ridiculously large "safe" borders in use on HD menus. That's just a waste of real estate.

    We have a minor increase in viual material, in that we see the secondary menu for each selection as you move the cursor up and down through the menu. But what we don't really get is more information on-screen in lists themselves. Instead, we generally see more whitespace... room for lengthier titles, for instance, but if the titles aren't lengthier, it's just unused space. Little, if any, extra info displayed over what you get in the SD menus.

    So the HD is welcome. And eventually I expect they'll get it stabilized. But I'm quite unimpressed by the layout.

    Though I remain somewhat hopeful that one day we'll see an app development kit for the platform that may provide a chance for a third party to provide certain of these improvements. But I certainly doubt we'll see any sort of SDK this year.
     
  8. Monty2_2001

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    I wish they showed the original air date, at least the year, when you scroll through the list in the My Shows list. That would be a great place for that.
     
  9. bkdtv

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    Within folders, one would certainly hope for the ability to sort by original airdate, with the episode season and number displayed in place of the recorded date.

    I would also like to see TiVo use the right pane on a highlighted folder to show the date of the next scheduled episode, if one exists. Currently, only the number of episodes is shown, leaving a lot of white space.
     
  10. ArnoldDarshner

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    You should test your edge-to-edge hypothesis on multiple displays. I think you'd be surprised at just how cautious manufacturers are being with overscan.

    In regards to "unused space", some thoughts...

    Information display should be independent of screen resolution. To put it another way, TV displays are much sharper than they were 10 years ago, however, screen sizes are relatively the same.

    It's a common myth that HD allows "more space to work with" when it comes to interface design. If you think about it, a 250x250 image thumbnail actually appears much smaller on a 32" 1080p display than it would on a 32" 480i display. You really only gain fidelity with the added resolution. The threshold for information density remains the same, regardless of how many pixels you have to work with.

    My point: less is more. I think TiVo has found a nice balance between respecting the dead simple navigation of the classic UI vs blanketing the screen with information. Pretty genius, if you ask me. My hope is they lean towards the dead simple side of things as they iterate and rollout service updates.
     
  11. TrueTurbo

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    Speak for yourself! My JVC HD TV has plenty of overscan and there's nothing I can do about it!
     
  12. aaronwt

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    That is true of many HD sets. Many have overscan and many do not.
     
  13. dswallow

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    I designed and implemented flexible HD layouts for an HMI app and am pretty sure I m speaking accurately as to how it's possible to create HD layouts that are cognizant of the users desire to have, or not have, excessive borders of "safe areas". It's even possible, and relatively easy, to allow the user to select what sort of information to include in columnar data, how tightly to display the columnar data, and even to choose differing font sizes for columnar (or any) data.

    Less is more: less onscreen translates to more keypresses to see the same information that could have been presented to the user in the first place.

    My hope is they don't dumb everything down over and over again and actually decide to offer at least a few user-selectable options to improve the level of information presented to the user on menus.

    But, fully expecting TiVo to screw that up, I still hope they provide app interfaces that could be used to replace or at least provide alternate means to access the information presented through the regular menu system.

    But, honestly, I'm not holding my breath there either. TiVo could have easily done that with the HMI implementation, but they chose to just let it die off rather than offering ways to hook into regular functionality.

    So, I'm basically left with expressing my disdain for the poor menu layout. :)
     
  14. cranbers

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    While I do like the concept, style and information provided in the hd interface. It's currently buggy state makes it really hard to swallow.

    I know it will get better with time. But this is a situation where negative reviews are bombarding this device and its interface.

    It was not worth it tivo. You should of held of and saved your customer support and public relations from such a nightmare.

    I had another one of those lock ups with the non responsive select button. Then when the screen timed out and went back to live tv, I hit left arrow again, and the menu locked with the green circle in the center of the screen.

    I had to pull the plug at this point. I thought I was safe after C update but I guess not.

    Lesson learned, if you're using the hd interface, stay away from the tivo button and use the left arrow/live tv methods to enter and exist the menu's!!

    It's too bad they did this to themselves, and were all paying for it. That saying goes, You only get one chance to make a good first impression.
     
  15. DeWitt

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    My set is THX rated and has a seperate THX mode. THX allows no overscan. Showing every pixel is required for the rating. All of the other modes have some built in.

    If you view some cable channels, particularly the SD ones, in THX mode you can get some really annoying noise around the screen edges.
     
  16. aaronwt

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    So what is causing these issues people are having? For me, I'm not having any problems. My Premieres are as reliable as any TiVo I've owned before.
     
  17. Mike-Mike

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    +1
     
  18. baimo

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    +1 brother. my sa8300hd was the pits. But it would be nice if the hd menus were as fast as the SD menus. I love having the live tv window in the hd menus and am not wiling to give that up for the difference in speed
     
  19. RichB

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    I just got back from my Friends house and watched him use his Disk network DVR. The thing brings up lists instantaneously.

    Apparently, Dish chose not to infringe on TiVo's performance patent :p

    - Rich
     
  20. ADGrant

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    That is a sign of very sloppy design/coding. They are making network calls from the UI thread.
     

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