Introducing TiVO Edge

Discussion in 'TiVo Edge' started by CloudAtlas, Oct 1, 2019.

  1. Oct 1, 2019 #61 of 284

    gary.buhrmaster Active Member

    Nov 5, 2015


    None are in new production(*). 2TB is the current max for 2.5" constant use A/V drives. And that is due to the reality that the majority of the buyers of those types of drives are surveillance systems where 2TB is considered the sweet spot for capacity and thermals and pricing, so that is what the HD manufacturers design/build.

    (*) And TiVo is going to want to choose drives they can get new/replacement ones of. That is perhaps why the 3TB Bolt left the building earlier than others.
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  2. Oct 1, 2019 #62 of 284

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

    Jan 19, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    Thanks. Oh well, for those that really want an Edge but aren't happy with 2TB, I'm sure WeaKnees will be there for us.
  3. Oct 1, 2019 #63 of 284

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2014
    Raleigh, NC
    My suspicion is that TiVo will keep selling the Bolt OTA as the "cheaper" cord-cutting option while supplies last. After they are sold out, I expect them to release a 2-tuner Edge OTA with a 1TB hard drive as the "cheaper" option, as was rumored a while ago, to compete directly with the Amazon DVR and Tablo 2-tuner budget options.
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  4. Oct 1, 2019 #64 of 284

    CloudAtlas Bryan

    Oct 29, 2013
    New York, NY
    TiVO stopped selling 3TB Bolts because Western Digital stopped making the 3TB drives due to problems. There were bad batches of the WD 3TB drive that made it into the Bolts. Everyone blamed heat but it was a WD problem.

    Also for 98% of TiVo’s customers the 2TB is fine. TiVo’s not making design decisions based on the ability to swap in larger hard drives. So bizarre that people think this way.
  5. Oct 1, 2019 #65 of 284

    omelet1978 Active Member

    Mar 7, 2006


    I’ll have to wait on the initial reviews to see how these Tivo Edge units perform. I have a 3TB 6 Tuner Bolt on TE3 and my initial impression is to be very skeptical. One reason for that skepticism is the advertisement and website is like super flashy without giving much detail.

    Here is why I’m not updating for now (if I could get some feedback on if my logic is correct please):

    1. I still use the Live Guide and it’s my preferred option for using Tivo after trying the Grid Guide multiple times.

    2. Transfers of video recordings between TiVo’s doesn’t really work very well and fail after 1 or 2 videos have transferred. I’m not sure if this has been fixed but I doubt it given TiVo’s history. I’ve got a pretty big library of movies at this point.

    3. 2 TB hard drive which is smaller than my current 3TB hard drive.

    4. Tivo Plus software just looks to be an extension of the excessive tiles in Hydra. Beyond that after looking at TiVo’s website I’m not entirely sure what the software is.
  6. Oct 1, 2019 #66 of 284

    CloudAtlas Bryan

    Oct 29, 2013
    New York, NY
    NOTE: I updated initial post with new hardware information thanks to Ted:
  7. Oct 1, 2019 #67 of 284

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

    Dec 1, 2017
    There are 2 USB ports on the back. I would buy the new Edge if it allowed any external drive to be plugged into the USB port on the back.
    It would have been nice if the antenna Edge had apps for some or any of the streaming services like Sling, Youtube TV, PSVue, Philo, Hulu TV, etc.
  8. Oct 1, 2019 #68 of 284

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    It’ll be available for purchase from TiVo?
  9. Oct 1, 2019 #69 of 284

    CloudAtlas Bryan

    Oct 29, 2013
    New York, NY
    Why would you buy a Mercedes when a Hyundai is so much cheaper?! Why would you eat at a nice restaurant when fast food is so much cheaper? I love how everything TCF comes down to $$$. Who says male techies are obsessed with the cost of things?

    TiVO is $150 yearly ($12.50) no matter how many TV’s you have using Minis.

    The TiVO Edge is just a model refresh. TiVO does this every 3 years and it’s been 4 years! That’s a longtime in tech. Not sure why this is a surprise. The model update is driven by the Cable companies who bundle TiVO. If you are a Cable company rolling out new TiVO hardware into the field do you really want to roll out 4 year old technology?

    Remember choice is a good thing.
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  10. Oct 1, 2019 #70 of 284

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007
    I doubt these units will sell very well. I mean you could buy a cable Bolt for $200, but now it's $400 to get in the door.

    I know you get more, but it's going to turn off the average Joe.
  11. Oct 1, 2019 #71 of 284

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    As hardware updates go, this is more modest than all previous generational updates.

    Edge CPU is a 25% bump, rather than the 2-3x we usually get. This is not really Tivo's fault, but it's just to point out that the difference won't be very discernible unless you're hardcore into Dolby Vision or Atmos and the two apps that'll be updated support it. (I'm being snarky saying two, but I'm probably not far off.)

    It's going to feel VERY "Bolty" with just a pinch more performance in the navigation.
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  12. Oct 1, 2019 #72 of 284

    bobfrank Active Member

    Mar 17, 2005
    In my opinion:

    1. I don't use the guide enough for that to make any difference to me. But since the live guide is important to you you should stay on TE3.

    2. As I understand it transfers using TE4 are initiated through the Tivo web site. Most of the comments I've read around here are not positive about the ease and success with TE4 transfers. Transfers are important to me and, as you know, very easy using TE3.

    2a. You didn't mention it, but transfers from PC to Tivo are not allowed under TE4. This is very important to me and a good reason to stay with TE3.

    3. Bigger is better. Size does matter.

    4. TE4, or Hydra, is loaded with tile graphics. Personally I really prefer the non-graphic UI in TE3.

    5. Not on your list, and not nearly as important to me as it seems to be to many members here, TE3 is apparently not going to get the pre-roll ads. If you are sensitive to ads on your Tivo this would just be one more item to add to your decision to stay away from TE4.

    So, to me, it appears that your logic to avoiding the Tivo Edge and being locked into TE4 forever is solid.
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  13. Oct 1, 2019 #73 of 284

    snerd Well-Known Member

    Jun 6, 2008
    Wow, have you not seen the gripe fest about pre-roll ads? :D
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  14. Oct 1, 2019 #74 of 284

    sd2528 Member

    Nov 5, 2006
    Because I said the same thing about a Bolt. Now I have 2 generation old TiVos and this one is 4K compatible. I'd like android app support to get more streaming/app options but if it isn't on this then I don't see that coming on a TiVo DVR anytime soon.
  15. Oct 1, 2019 #75 of 284

    omelet1978 Active Member

    Mar 7, 2006
    Thank you for the info. Good to hear staying with TE3 makes sense.
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  16. Oct 1, 2019 #76 of 284

    tommiet Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2005
    Called TiVo... Edge is 6 tuners and $399.00 + $549.00 for service.... No F'en way! Makes cable TV cheap.

    Folks @ TiVo have been drinking the Apple Kool-Aid.
  17. Oct 1, 2019 #77 of 284

    slice1900 Active Member

    Dec 2, 2005

    Are there any cable operators distributing 4K channels via QAM? Even if there are, a 4K capable Mini should be able to work with a non-4K Roamio - similar to how Directv uses a non 4K capable DVR with a 4K capable client. Whether Tivo allows such a thing is another matter, but there is no technical roadblock - when a tuner decodes a QAM channel it doesn't know or care whether there are 4K, HD or SD channels inside, or whether they use MPEG2, MPEG4 or HEVC compression. Its just bits, and only means more bits need to be passed to the Mini for a 4K channel.
  18. Oct 1, 2019 #78 of 284

    bobfrank Active Member

    Mar 17, 2005
    Great minds ...
  19. Oct 1, 2019 #79 of 284

    Craigm Member

    Nov 20, 2015
    Best Buy just reduced the Bolt 1TB OTA to $211.99 and the Bolt 5ooGb to $179. So they must be clearing out for the New Edge
  20. Oct 1, 2019 #80 of 284

    ehardman Member

    Feb 18, 2004
    If I get an Edge, I definitely will not spring for another lifetime and just pay annually. Done lifetime too many times since 1999.

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