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Discussion in 'TiVo Edge' started by CloudAtlas, Oct 1, 2019.
I'm lovin' my Roamio more every day.
It might be anecdotal, but it seems like there was an uptick in failing Bolt drives being reported here on the boards (over previous generations), and it may be due to them not being AV rated. Right now, AV/Video rated 2.5" drives are limited to 2 TB and that seems to be the driver for this choice. Ted made comments about this in the past.
Or they could've gone back to 3.5" and nobody would have cared about the extra inch added to the case... but that's Tivo.
I'd never consider this because of TE4, but what is the reason why ANYONE would want this? How is it better than the Bolt? I imagine it has a more recent CPU so it is faster, but the Bolt isn't exactly slow. Other than that it seems to have the exact same feature set as the Bolt. Why did they bother with the new model? Wouldn't it make sense for them to keeping selling Bolts there was a real reason to rev to a new model - like adding ATSC 3.0?
^ This. Although, it's not just TiVo--how many smartphones sacrifice a headphone jack for the sake of thinness, when the phone already is incredibly thin? Let alone, phones and other portable devices sacrificing the ability to replace a battery, again for extra thinness? Of course, even more the case when we're talking about a stationary electronic device.
Yeah just too much money. Although ...to be fair, from past experience the price falls pretty rapidly. Within a year I wouldn't doubt if you see deals for $600-$700 with lifetime.
Still at this point ...I would get a new 65" or 55" tv and a pretty good one for $999 or so instead of dropping $950 on this. And the tv would be my streaming box as a lot of these tvs are quite good at streaming now.
Until it provides the same streaming apps I'm getting on my Apple TV (YouTube TV, etc.), it's a no-go for me.
I guess, the benefits are the faster processor, the Dolby Vision, and Atmos sound. But would I upgrade a Bolt box for that?
Part of the circumstances perhaps also being, just having something new and shiny and exciting, for the market and to create buzz, and to avoid an appearance of falling behind. Personally, I'd like to see some of the what seem to me like useful other advances. E.g. a wireless TiVo Mini system, announced 9 months ago and still being awaited (due out by right around now, if not earlier?). Along with, Roku/Fire TV/Apple TV TiVo apps.
Wow. If I had to write an announcement of Edge it would be titled "TiVo Doubles Down on Disappointment".
First, the lackluster, failure-prone Bolt and now a small refinement of it, Edge. Low capacity hard drives, poor steaming options along with being overpriced is so WTF. Why did TiVo start at the bottom of our wishlists i.e. Dolbyvision and Atmos? Those are nice to have but they don't rank within the top 5 of requested features going back a decade.
TiVo needs to find away to make everyone want to upgrade from their lifetimes Roamios and Edge (so far) is not the answer. My Roamios Pro had been rocking a 6TB hard drive for 5 years now. Why would I pay another $1K for less?
That's why I'll probably never buy another Tivo. I'll make my Roameo and Bolt last as long as possible. If I have to use the same UI as the cable company DVR, I might as well save the extra money.
For anyone with a Roamio or Bolt that wants Atmos and Vision, why wouldn't you just get a $50 Fire TV Stick 4K? As a side benefit you also get significantly more and better apps. Spending $950 for those 2 minor features while being stuck with Tivo's terrible app ecosystem seems insane to me.
2 of these decent/good bang for the buck 55" tvs at list price would cost you $999 and they have Roku built in.
Edge at $950 tough sell.
Done. We don't even need our Bolt anymore here. Roamio Pro and a Fire TV Stick 4K, that's the ticket.
I wonder if the user-agreement for the new Edge says the user agrees to the pre-rolled ads?
They are willing to remove the ads for us right now on the other platforms, but if it was part of the original agreement there would be no reason or obligation for TiVo to turn them off.
I actually have 4 tivo boxes and two mini's (plus two inactive S3's ). That doesn't replace simultaneous playback of a show over a bunch of tv's so no matter which room you walk into, there is no lag or jump in time.
For Bolt owners the modest CPU bump, Atmos and DV support are barely worth $95, much less another $950.
Roamio and older customers, I kinda get it IF their cable operator is starting to provide 4K content over QAM they care about watching. If not, they (and OTA users) should just get a $50 stick for FAR superior 4k/app support.
Otherwise, Edge is added to the "Why do I exist?" pile with the 2-tuner Premiere and caffeine-free Mountain Dew.
Any idea if we'll see loyalty pricing for existing customers? I recall seeing that a few years back. Of course, they released this just as I got my bolt back from the seemingly all too common HDD failure
While it looks decent, I don't see enough that makes me want to pull out my credit card...
From what I am seeing from them, I wonder if they'll be around next year.
Interesting, the cable Bolts are gone from the TiVo website. Only the Bolt OTA is still there, probably while supplies last. It's 1TB and $250, vs. the 2TB $350 Edge for antenna. The Edge for cable has 2TB and is $400.
Just looking. I'm actually likely to sell off our Bolt and downsize to just the Roamio Pro and v2 Minis here, and as mentioned above we rely on the Fire TV Stick 4K for streaming now. There are no 4K cable channels here.
I'm also planning an HD HomeRun and Channels DVR system in a parallel test setup as we plan for the future while Rovi continues to run TiVo into the ground. But there's a TiVo Alternatives thread for that discussion.
The industrial design of Bolt is an epic fail. I'm going out on a limb and guessing that return/exchange rates and the number of trouble tickets for the Bolt are way above and beyond any reasonable benchmark for consumer electronics. So I'm fine with a new box that seems to at least have a sturdier chassis. However, the requirement to be on TE4 and no way to backrev is a deal-breaker to me. I've been suckered for thousands as it is and putting aside the pre-roll fiasco, the longevity of this company is in serious serious question. Heck, even if I could roll back, why would I spend $1k large on a box from a company that is openly trying to sell themselves off? What protections would any consumer have that spent $1k should they not be acquired and went abnkrupt (read: none) or if the acquiring company was in a completely different industry/space and decided to mothball development and keep the box around as long as they have to without being sued? There are very few positive "probable" outcomes and next to zero ROI if I buy this thing.
The odd PS4-esque shape misled me into thinking it was about the size of a PS4 from the earlier photos, but it's smaller than I imagined. Smaller than a flattened-out bolt even. I really don't get why they're stubbornly sticking to smaller cases than they need and hamstringing themselves with 2.5" drives as a result.
And those Fire Stick 4Ks have been going on sale for $25-$35 pretty regularly since Prime Day. They are excellent endpoints for a Channels DVR.