I hate, hate, HATE the updated Netflix app!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by escrge, Aug 22, 2012.

  1. Feb 2, 2013 #181 of 227
    morac

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    Blu-ray is already compressed and most films don't use the whole disk (which is why they can have extras on the same disk). If the blu-ray spec adds h.265 compression, then twice as much data can fit on the disk.

    Also I'm not sure where you got that HD TV's can't produce as much color as a movie theater projector. Maybe you are referencing the fact that the RGB color range for blu-rays is actually 16-235 instead of 0-255, but that's not a limitation of HD TVs. Mine supports 0-255 which is called "wide color" in the settings. It's just not used for movies or TV since that uses YPrPb and not RGB and the current standard for YPrPb says color needs to be between 16 and 235. Video games use RGB so they can support the full color range (0-255) on my TV if the settings on my TV match my PS3. In any case the limitation isn't on the TV, but the video source.

    Personally other than IMAX films, I find movie theater picture quality to be lacking compared to HD TV. So much so that I can't watch regular (non iMAX digital or analog) films as the quality is lacking.
     
  2. Feb 2, 2013 #182 of 227
    atmuscarella

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    If you would like to see an explanation of the color thing take a look at this episode of Tezilla:


    The part about color starts at 9:40 and only runs at about 3 mins.


    I live in a small rural town and my local theater is pretty poor so I do understand your observation. But if I drive up to Rochester and go to a better theater it is completely different. The bottom line is a good theater is the only place you can possibly see (and hear) a movie as the producer intended. Frankly because my room setup causes me to sit 14 ft away from my set and because most theater movies on blu-ray are not full screen I do at times find the experience lacking (I have a medium grade 7.1 sound system so the sound is very good). I actually find a good full screen OTA TV show can provide a better "experience" than lots of blu-ray movies. If I were buying a TV today it would be a 65 inch one.
     
  3. jwyz

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    Hope this helps. I had the same problem with Netflex on my tivo premiere 4 with the resolution changing causing the TV to black out for a few seconds at a time
    making it impossible to watch.

    Changing the setting in my Denon receiver eliminated the problem.
    The setting is under the HDMI set up. Turning the i/p scaler setting to off completely fixed my problems.

    Now the high definition Netflex is a thing of beauty on the Tivo.
     
  4. mikeyts

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    The scaler in your AVR was causing the problem? That your TV can handle the switch without a bobble is impressive. What is it?
     
  5. jwyz

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    The TV is a 4 year old Samsung 52" LCD.
     
  6. Mike-Wolf

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    I personally love the new Netflix app, the entire interface looks exactly consistent with the PS3 Netflix app. I only wish it would launch faster but that's probably a limitation of the TiVo using only half of the dual core processor.
     
  7. Mike-Wolf

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    I've used the Roku 2 XS and ended up returning it for the specific fact that it didn't output Dolby Digital 5.1 on Netflix content that had Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 audio, would get a "audio format is not supported" message from my television. My only option was to set the audio output to Dolby Stereo for everything which defeated the purpose of surround sound in the first place.
     
  8. compnurd

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    Tivo has used both cores for well over a year now
     
  9. mikeyts

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    That's DD+ 5.1 in Netflix; VUDU has some DD+ 7.1 content, also passed through by a Roku untouched.
     
  10. Mike-Wolf

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    When I spoke to tier 2 support they said that the Premiere was still only using half of the core which is why it's so slow. I also haven't read anything on their website saying that they started using both cores completely. If there is anything to read I'd love to read it.
     
  11. Mike-Wolf

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    Mmm the only two audio options I had in the Roku setup was Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 and Stereo. Every time I tried playing Dolby Digital surround sound in Netflix I'd get no audio and the notice message from the tv about unsupported audio format. When I played the same titles on the PS3 and TiVo I'd have no problem.
     
  12. mikeyts

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    There are two audio options in Roku's settings, being "5.1 surround" and "stereo"; Dolby isn't mentioned at all, nor 7.1. You won't find Dolby mentioned in their UI or in any of their documentation; it is mentioned in channel UIs, but Roku generally has nothing to do with them. They don't license Dolby tech, saving on per unit materials cost. If they did, they could process the Dolby Digital Plus (aka E-AC-3) into basic Dolby Digital (AC-3); the conversion is supposedly simple and computationally lightweight. Most other streaming platforms have to license Dolby for other purposes (BD players, game consoles, TiVo). AFAIK, the only Roku channels to use DD+ are Netflix and VUDU. Amazon, HBO Go, Blockbuster and other channels with 5.1 sound use basic DD.
     
  13. compnurd

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    Dont know what to tell you about Tier 2. Second Core was turned on during the Fall 2011 update. If you search on the forum you may find the release notes here The CPU only being half turned on/fully turned on has never been listed on there website
     
  14. Mike-Wolf

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    You're probably right. I know when I was using Amazon on demand I was receiving the Dolby signal (television has a Dolby D in the info bar when receiving a Dolby signal) But when I would go into Netflix and choose a program that had Dolby Digital Plus and boom no audio at all unless I chose Stereo.
     
  15. Neomon

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    Haven't seen a response to this yet, and it's the same problem I'm having. I'd like to know if there's a way to get that working that's not rebooting the Tivo.
     
  16. Mike-Wolf

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    Actually I found out about the half core issue from this forum way back in 2010, however upon working with TiVo on several issues my customers have been having it was discovered that both cores were activated upon one of the 2012 software updates.
     
  17. brycenesbitt

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    Back to the pause issue: there's a delay after you press pause before it pauses. Why?

    If the issue is a round trip to a distant server, there's a solution. Pause immediately at the local box. Then (after it's paused) figure out where the server sits. Rewind the server so it starts from the right place.
     
  18. rallykeeper

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    Getting the same v103 errors on our Premier XL too. Frankly have given up on TiVo ever getting Netflix right.
     
  19. mikeyts

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    It's a bug. Netflix on my Sony BDP-S390 Blu-ray disc player has the same bug. Other players that I have (PS3, Roku 2, Roku 3, Panasonic BD player, Xbox and this PC) don't have it. There's no point in trying to diagnose the bug without any detailed knowledge of the internals of Netflix streaming.
     
  20. aaronwt

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    So if the S390 has it then I guessing the S590 does too. I guess another reason I'm glad I picked up the S5100. It does not have a pause problem. I think my days of using Netflix on my TiVos are over for now. I'll probably revisit it again when updated TiVo hardware is released. So either when the Mini gets Netflix or the six tuner box is released.
     

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