Hydra Update News

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Megamind, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. eherberg

    eherberg Active Member

    Feb 16, 2011


    Well - count me as somebody who would love to see an ala carte system shake itself out. The argument about higher prices for ala-carte always assumes that the prices would stay that way. ESPN would start out at some outrageous price -- subscriber numbers would move -- and ESPN would alter price accordingly. The smaller less-popular stations who are only surviving by being subsidized by more popular channels would (as they should) go away. I would like to see more wide-spread adoption of no networks whatsoever - with content being sold individually. I would purchase an NFL product and a half-dozen series that I follow at one time and be happy.

    As a cord-cutter who was cord-cuttin' before it was cool (or even had the popular name) - it still irks me that these new streaming 'cord-cutters' usurped the name and do nothing but prop up the current pay-TV model. I read an article the other day about Dish laughing all the way to the bank with convincing people that still paying them a monthly bill with the only thing changing being the delivery model makes them 'cord-cutters'. At some point even Comcast will come out with a streaming bundle and 'cord-cutters' will lap it up, apparently. My only bright spot is that most of these streaming 'cord-cutters' are a bit older demographic and young people appear not interested (and apparently see it for what it is). I was hoping for an end to the current model within 10 - 15 years, but unfortunately the new streaming pay-TV model appears ready to prop up the existing model for the next 20 years. :-(
  2. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2014
    Raleigh, NC
    Everything that I've read indicates that the profit margins on their streaming service is lower than on their traditional product, so Dish is merely replacing more profitable customers with less profitable ones. I doubt they're laughing about that in the board meetings.
  3. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Ultimately the only thing that will survive are money making services, share holders in companies will see to that. Don't fear the cable companies, fear the content providers they are the one with the real control. People may look back at these days as the golden age of cord cutting, the future is going to be messy, and expensive.
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  4. Sparky1234

    Sparky1234 Well-Known Member

    May 8, 2006
    CEC never works for me. Always turns on when I wan it off or out of sync devices....
  5. OrangeCrush

    OrangeCrush Active Member

    Feb 18, 2016


    Whether or not CEC can be turned off at the TiVo, it should still be an option on the TV itself. All mine have it, but the option often has a wacky name (usually "something link" where "something" is a nonsense brand word ex: Viera link, Aquous Link Simplink, Kurolink, etc.).

    As for the whole streaming/ott service debate over what's going to be more expensive--the game has always been to get a user base and then raise their rates to profitability so everything will be back the way it was with cable, but it won't work. They can't lock us in to their services anymore, so don't underestimate the power of being able to drop and add services on a whim. It's also forcing them to get rid of or consolidate their garbage channels. Browse your guide and count how many channels are mostly 90s sitcoms re-runs with just a few hours per week of original programming. Nobody would pay for that if it didn't come in the bundle.
  6. Megamind

    Megamind I'm Feeling Blue

    Feb 18, 2013
    Alpha Centauri
    Curious. Was this just a joke, or are you saying there is an actual setting to toggle CEC on/off?
  7. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    Without Live Guide and PC to Tivo transfers, Hydra remains a non-starter for me.
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  8. jcthorne

    jcthorne Well-Known Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    As long as Hydra maintains the walled garden and will not allow file transfers from a pc, its of no use to me Without that, an Amazon Fire is far more capable. Not giving up major capability to get a questionable UI update.
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  9. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    Give Net Neutrality some time to fully decompose and we may see a brave new world, where partnerships effectively limit choice.
  10. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    I love the people who think prices will ever go down on products.
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  11. chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

    Nov 9, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    I think you're right to be cynical (after all, CE manufacturers, like most corporations, are under constant pressure to increase profits), but it DOES happen that prices go down--particularly in the realm of electronics.

    Look at the retail prices of flat-screen TV's, BDP's, computers, monitors, et al, and you will frequently see a notable decline in price which is especially prevalent if you factor in the feature set. While it might not necessarily apply to the higher-end products or niche markets (in which latter category I would classify TiVo DVR's), you need only compare what you had to pay for, say, a 27" monitor 10 years ago and what you would pay today for an even more advanced monitor of the same size, for one of many examples.

    Even in cases, such as middle- or upper-tier products (e.g., AVR's), where the prices have gone up, the value equation may be a positive (or a wash) when you take into consideration the technological capabilities or trickle-down of advanced features.
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  12. Wil

    Wil Unknown Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    Amen. Personally I don't even like Tivo as a playback platform anymore (subtitle issues have become overwhelming) but the family loves it and has resisted Plex, a fully-scripted VLC system I put together which is the bomb, or any of the 4-5 other alternatives I've tried to wean them onto. Tivo is it. Period.

    But the moment Hydra becomes mandatory, all the Tivo boxes are gone. Family harmony notwithstanding, we move on.
  13. Cheezmo

    Cheezmo Active Member

    Apr 26, 2004
    Plano, TX
    The thing I would most like to see is for suggestions to start working again.
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  14. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    I’m talking programming, not hardware.
  15. gbm

    gbm New Member

    Oct 6, 2001
    I agree -- and if they can't improve Suggestions, at least revert to the old code which always worked fine for me. It doesn't bode well that one of the major differentiating features of the device has been so thoroughly broken for so long with no attention. I called them about it and was given the standard "Reboot, reset suggestions, reboot and see what happens." Of course I had alredy done that and had told them that already, but there was no acknowledgement of the issue.

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  16. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    It's actually OTA that's become a re-run wasteland and on SD subchannels, it looks like cable in the 90's before original programming. Outside of the four to six major nets, it's re-run land, and a lot of it isn't using new broadcast masters either. Cable actually has more of your edgy shows because they pay to get them. Watch out, one man's garbage channel is someone else's must have. Channel consolidation is a bad thing.
  17. OrangeCrush

    OrangeCrush Active Member

    Feb 18, 2016
    It's both. But I suppose I give the subchannels a pass because I'm not paying for them and they're using "extra" bandwidth from the main networks. Meanwhile, on cable right now:

    TNT - Charmed, Supernatural, Bones, NCIS
    TBS - King of Queens, Seinfeld, Friends, American Dad
    WGN - Murder She Wrote, In the Heat of the Night
    USA - Law & Order SVU (all freaking day)
    SyFy - Z Nation (all freaking day)
    VH1 - Martin (Lol!)
    Freeform - How I met your mother

    I could go on. Most of these shows cycle through the OTA subchannels and syndication now anyway and you could have collected the entire series with a DVR many times over by now--even in HD in some cases. Although many of the older shows were never in HD to begin with.

    While each of these networks does a few original shows, it's increasingly difficult to justify paying $100/mo for them. In my situation, I only have cable right now because of a good promo that brings it down to effectively $35/mo. Once that expires, I'm back to OTA only. If there's an occasional new show I simply must see, then I'll buy the season on Amazon and still get nowhere close to the $100/mo the cable company wants.
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  18. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    It's the ads on these shows that help pay for Mr. Robot, The Sinner, AHS, the list goes on. You also listed a lot of shows running during the day time, day time is the wasteland of all TV, has been for years. It's why people own DVR's to record night time shows.
  19. samccfl99

    samccfl99 I Am Sometimes Vocal

    Sep 7, 2013
    Disappointing, but not unexpected. TE3 Forever then. Oh well...NP...
  20. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    You forgot Comedy Central.

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