Hydra... Bring back Live Guide!!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JACKASTOR, Oct 31, 2017.

Bring Back Live Guide Option in Hydra!!

  1. Bring it back, and make it an Optional Choice please.

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  2. Prefere the Grid Guide To all Else.

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  3. Undecided, I have trouble knowing whats good or not.

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  1. Nov 3, 2017 #61 of 527
    TonyD79

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    Efficiency can be measured. And you have to remove proficiency from the equation when you do.

    I agree that if you have ONE movie channel you want to look at the Live Guide is probably more efficient but when you throw in multiples, there is no way it is. Especially if you want to adjust recording times like I gave the example.
     
  2. Nov 3, 2017 #62 of 527
    atmuscarella

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    Everyone has personal preferences and some features matter to some people more than they do to others. So for some how the guide looks and operates is of high importance for others it isn't. Given that the UI including the Guide and it's data are a big part of the TiVo service we pay for I don't find it unusual that people have a desire for it to be what they want.

    TiVo has wisely given us a choice stay with the current UI and it's features knowing it likely will not be improved/changed much from this point on or to upgrade to the new UI and enjoy the features and future improvements it brings. Thankfully we all get to way the +s & -s of each UI, to decide if we want to upgrade or not. For some no live guide is a big minus, for others it is irrelevant.

    TiVo has also given us the opportunity to provide input, that may influence some of the new UI features as time goes on, so it would be foolish for people who would like some things to be changed - like having the Live Guide be added as an option, to not voice their desires. Now is the time.
     
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  3. Nov 3, 2017 #63 of 527
    schatham

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    Live guide is much faster, if it wasn't all us live guide fans would not be complaining. How would you feel if grid was removed instead of live guide.

    It's a fact the human eye and brain can scan one column much faster than several.

    But I don' t care anymore because I converted back to "Tivo".
     
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  4. Nov 3, 2017 #64 of 527
    PSU_Sudzi

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    That's your opinion, I disagree.
     
  5. Nov 3, 2017 #65 of 527
    stile99

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    I like how one person seems to be going out of his way to disregard people with whom he disagrees. even going so far as to call their beliefs a religion.

    Which is fascinating, considering the definition of the word zealot.

    zeal·ot
    ˈzelət/
    noun
    noun: zealot; plural noun: zealots
    a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.

    Example: going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how the grid guide is obviously superior and anyone who disagrees is wrong, by definition. Hmmm, remind me...who's starting the religion?
     
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  6. Nov 3, 2017 #66 of 527
    DancnDude

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    Let's look at how many clicks it would take:
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    Notice that I see 8 movies all at once, and a single "Page Down" command shows me the next 8 programs. So about 16 programs in 1 click.

    The grid guide for this would only be showing 1 movie, and half of another. You'd have to right-click 16 times to see as many. There's no way seeing 1 and a half movies at a time is more efficient than a whole page or 8 at once. I'd be clicking forever to go through all the guide data.
     
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  7. Nov 3, 2017 #67 of 527
    PSU_Sudzi

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    I’m with you 100%, it’s why I felt like my hands were tied using Hydra to browse channels and decided to roll back. Hopefully they will add this at some point in the future.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2017 #68 of 527
    TivoJD

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    You are assuming that everyone wants to look at one channel at a time. Those that like the grid guide get to see 10 channels at once, so you really can't compare it that way. A more accurate comparison would be the grid guide allows 10 channels at once x 1.5 movies = 15 movies and with one click that's 30. And maybe not 30, but certainly more than 16.
     
  9. Nov 3, 2017 #69 of 527
    humbb

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    No, if you take another look at the graphic in post #66, the Live Guide shows 8 channels at one time (in the left pane) and 8 programs for the highlighted channel in the right pane. So you actually get both! And you can use FF/RW to change (by the half hour) the time shown very quickly if you need to. Replay and Advance will do the same in 24-hour increments.
     
  10. Nov 3, 2017 #70 of 527
    chicagobrownblue

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    Well, no live guide is a deal breaker for me. I'll wait for it and until some other issues are resolved.
     
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  11. Nov 3, 2017 #71 of 527
    schatham

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    Real world. In the morning I choose a couple of channels I watch and scan for the next 12 to 24 hours on each to see if their is anything to record.

    This is impossible in grid guide with my time constraints.

    I'll also add I did not like the my shows area in Hydra. I also did not like selecting things 3 or 4 times to accomplish the same thing with one or 2 clicks.
     
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  12. Nov 3, 2017 #72 of 527
    Johnwashere

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    OK gotcha. Yep I personally like the grid guide better. I like to see whats upcoming for multiple channels at once and not just 1 channel . I get it though, some people like the live view only, its just not the way I like it. Hopefully they bring the option back because so many people really do seem to like it.
     
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  13. Nov 3, 2017 #73 of 527
    aaronwt

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    I definitely prefer the Live Guide. But there are too many excellent improvements with Hydra. I've been using the Grid guide since updating all my TiVos to Hydra this past Sunday. I can get by with the Grid guide. But there is no way I would ever want to go back to using the HDUI just to have the Live Guide. Since to me, Hydra is so much better than the HDUi ever was.
     
  14. Nov 3, 2017 #74 of 527
    Mikeguy

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    I think that you're right, to a degree. In the end, I think it comes down to one's preference and how one's brain works: when I'm searching and scanning for the day (or longer) to set up recordings, I prefer to be more one-track, and so Live Guide serves me well and is more efficient, going channel-by-channel for the few I scan; if I'm in the evening and only looking for now and/or the next hour or 2, I can see how the grid serves well.

    And so, the right answer is: have both available. ;)
     
  15. Nov 3, 2017 #75 of 527
    Mikeguy

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    Slightly off-topic but what the heck: what do you really like about the big "H"?
     
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  16. Nov 3, 2017 #76 of 527
    Bville01

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    I have used the grid guide for years with my Roamio. This week I switched to OTA and the new Bolt Vox. I discovered what is apparently the Hydra format loaded, which I am having trouble with. Is there any sort of instructions somewhere for using Hydra. I am not enjoying it, but maybe because I'm doing things the hard way. Seems confusing!
     
  17. Nov 3, 2017 #77 of 527
    aaronwt

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    Just about everything. Especially the Episode Strip. That is easily my favorite feature.
     
  18. Nov 3, 2017 #78 of 527
    TonyD79

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    And if you do that for the 10 channels that the grid guide shows, you do it 10 times.

    The live guide sycophants look at one tiny use case and say it proved it. It doesn’t.

    Right now I am looking at my movie channels and see 21 movies in one look. They are all HBO so I can pick what I want when I want it. I paged through by 2 hours and smallest I saw at one time was 17.

    Stop using a single channel only. This is not the 1960s.

    Still amazed at the twists and gyrations live guide users will go through to justify the choice.
     
  19. Nov 3, 2017 #79 of 527
    Mikeguy

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    I guess I'm kinda amazed that trying to force a view on someone else still is being discussed, lol. ;)
     
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  20. Nov 3, 2017 #80 of 527
    chrishicks

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    Wouldn't really be an issue if it was still a choice under Hydra as it has been since the beginning of using Tivo for many.
     

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