Hydra... Bring back Live Guide!!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JACKASTOR, Oct 31, 2017.

Bring Back Live Guide Option in Hydra!!

  1. Bring it back, and make it an Optional Choice please.

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  2. Prefere the Grid Guide To all Else.

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  3. Undecided, I have trouble knowing whats good or not.

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  1. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. I had no idea that Roku had built a guide for its TVs. I figured they just used apps and various inputs.

    I've seen TVs have a sort of guide by showing you what is on and what is on in the next hour or so, but never a true guide on a native TV.

    That would be what they are licensing the grid guide for, then.
     
  2. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    I was just playing with manual recording in Hydra. It lists programs on the selected channel starting at the time period for the start time. No specific time information on the show nor anyway to select them from the list but it does show the next 13 shows on the selected channel.
     
  3. SnakeEyes

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    I need to continue to be able to see what’s on now on 8 channels at once and hours ahead on any one channel at a time.
     
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    lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    I just reported a data problem and technically, there is no way to for a Hydra user to report one since the first field is "The TiVo Live Guide shows (Show Name)"
     
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    tvmaster2

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    Could you post a picture
     
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    tvmaster2

    tvmaster2 Well-Known Member

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    Yup, from all the demos I’ve seen, it looks like another Cox, Comcast set-top mess. Big, shiny pictures and unbelievably difficult/unintuitive to use. Tivo’s simplicity was its charm. It took them a decade to design this? Wow. Thank goodness they’re not in politics...
     
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    tvmaster2

    tvmaster2 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, this seems like a silly statement. If I wanted a garish, graphic-driven, overly cpu intensive, unintuitive interface I’d rent a Cox Contour box.
     
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    tvmaster2

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    S4’s being all models of Premiere’s and up?
     
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    tvmaster2

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    What do you mean by ‘transferring’? With a Hydra based machine, I can’t transfer non-drm material between Tivo’s or a PC?
     
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    boriente

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    Personally, I can't live with bugs, like the Last button not working correctly on Minis, or the way Minis display the wrong channel on the channel info bar yet showing the correct feed. Just to name a couple. I love the Live Guide and wish that it comes back but I can live with the grid and work around it. Hell, we all cut our teeth on the grid!
     
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    Dan203

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    With Hydra the option "Transfer this recording" is gone. You can still use the website to do TiVo to TiVo transfers but not directly in the UI. For PC transfers you can transfer from a TiVo to a PC using pyTivo, kmttg, etc.. but you can no longer transfer anything from PC to TiVo. PyTivo shares don't show up anywhere in the Hydra UI and the ability to push videos from PC to TiVo was disabled for all units a couple years ago. Your only option for watching video on your PC through TiVo is to use the Plex app.
     
  12. Steve-0

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    I have nobody to blame but myself. I read the warnings about Live Guide being gone, and losing my recordings if I wanted to roll back. I'm just a sucker for new and improved, and I figured "hey, it's TiVo. They'll get it right".

    I've been Tivo'ing since DirecTiVo. Prior to that we had Microsoft TV, which was not bad but not TiVo. I briefly switched to U-Verse for the Total Home DVR (and HD), it was okay but not TiVo. I looked at the Comcast DVR when we dumped U-Verse but the menuing and guide were horrible. Back to TiVo (Roamio OTA), and happy again ... until now.

    I've been a devoted TiVo fan for 15 years or more, but pulling the Live Guide in order to mimic the horrible UI on competition that TiVo had trounced was just beyond stupid.

    I have 2 TV's, one with Roamio and a Roku, the other is Roku TV with TiVo mini attached. I used to go to the TiVo first, but since Hydra, I'm leaning more toward apps on the Roku.

    If they don't fix the guide soon, this will be the last TiVo I buy. They're no longer better than anything else on the market.

    Oh BTW, what's the deal with preserving recordings going up, but erasing everything if you come back down?
     
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  13. longrider

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    Regarding the live guide, in 21.8.1.RC6 the mini guide (up arrow I think) has become a decent replacement for the live guide. It does not show as many hours of the channel at one time but it is close.

    On the recordings it is not the recordings themselves but they changed something in the database that is your playlist and while an upconversion was done there was nothing written to take it back (if even possible)
     
  14. foghorn2

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    The new hydra mini guide is a live guide killer, it utterly demolishes it
     
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  15. Furmaniac

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    It's better than you think the horizontal list of shows Scrolls for 14 days they really need to use the advanced key for scrolling to the next day and the channel key for scrolling to the next page. You can even go left and see previous programs
     
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  16. Furmaniac

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    The new mini-guide is better than you think! It scrolls ahead for 14 days and it scrolls backwards too.
    I put in a TiVo suggestion that they allow the channel up/down keys to page ahead and back and the Advance/Skip back keys to go ahead or back one day.
    Currently you need to click a left or right arrow to move ahead to each day.
     
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  17. mdavej

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    Live Guide fans are a very tough crowd. Until they get EXACTLY what they have now, they will not be satisfied. Last time I tried to tell them the Mini guide was a good substitute, I was essentially told to go F*** myself. So I hope you (Furmaniac) and foghorn2 are thick skinned and are prepared for the evisceration to come.
     
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  18. Furmaniac

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    I'm new to TiVo and the only reason. I haven't gone to the old UI is because the Vox Mic will display movies and TV shows from yesteryear and allow you to make one passes and bookmarks, where the typed -in search "currently" will not find those items.
    That feature is valuable enough for me to keep Hydra, but I'm not happy either. I've read on these blogs that you used to be able to sort the guide by Channel name if you didn't know the number. Why did they take that away?
    One among so many other things that disappoints me about TiVo is they're not communicating with their customers. It's possible that they couldn't fit everything into the last year of Hydra releases and slowly they're going to be put in there, but they won't tell us what that is and what we permanently lost.
     
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  19. JACKASTOR

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    Well we may be a tough crowd to please, but you do make a valuable contribution with your suggestion. If and when the Powers that Be listen to any one of us, (naysayers and early adopters) is another story.
    Keep it going, we are all allowed to choose what we like or do not like, you just have to like what we like is all.. ( just kidding).

    Jack
     
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  20. TonyD79

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    I was never a fan of the live guide as I prefer the grid but I could see some uses for it. What I like about the new style mini/live guide is that I can get a full grid by hitting guide and get the mini version with one key press. Before I had to change the guide style and change it back. Now, we have access to both types.

    The thing I don’t like about the mini guide is that the icons are not all the same size. Tv shows are square while movies are narrow. With movies, you see 8 programs. With tv shows, it is 4. Somewhere in between for a mix. The old live guide did 8.

    The only thing missing from the mini guide over the old live guide is the list of current programs on other channels. But that was never the big selling point for the live guide as the grid does the same.

    The mini guide is not perfect. Supporting text is missing for narrow icons and sometimes the pictures are not clear enough on their own. And you have to hover on a tile for repetitive programs like MLB baseball. And it drives me nuts that it is upside down. But those are nits.

    Anyway, with the new style, I find myself using it more in a week than I did in a year with the old live guide.
     
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