Hydra... Bring back Live Guide!!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JACKASTOR, Oct 31, 2017.

Bring Back Live Guide Option in Hydra!!

  1. Bring it back, and make it an Optional Choice please.

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  2. Prefere the Grid Guide To all Else.

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  3. Undecided, I have trouble knowing whats good or not.

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  1. Jan 3, 2018 #261 of 527
    aaronwt

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    I was at my GFs house several days during the Holidays. Her TiVos are still running the HDUI. It was then I realized how much I actually missed using Hydra. Most things are much easier with Hydra than with the HDUI. I was really missing it when I was using her Roamios.

    She is resistant to change so doesn't want to switch to Hydra. But it was also the same with for her with the SDUI. Once she finally switched to the HDUI, she liked it better than the SDUI. But it took her many years until she switched. So I don't expect her to switch to Hydra anytime soon. Unless she is forced to.
     
  2. Jan 3, 2018 #262 of 527
    TKnight206

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    While I don't intend to upgrade to Hydra, I'm a bit curious. Would there be a way to replace the tiles with text?

    After thinking about this for a moment, I'd probably have the text format in the same horizontal position as the tiles. Except it would show something like the following:
    8:30pm-9pm | 9:00pm-9:30pm | 9:30pm-10:00pm | 10:00pm-10:30pm |
    Life in Pieces | doubt | Hawaii Five O | Zoo |
    Poison Fire Teats Universe | Episode Title Here | Episode Title Here | Episode Title Here |
    S2 E22 | S? E?? | S? E?? | S? E?? |
    and so on...

    Basically putting information stuff about the individual programs in the same space as where the titles would go. I don't know if that will format correctly when I post it. But I hope my idea will have gotten across.

    Didn't format correctly. Think of it like postcards, but with text indicating bits of info.
     
  3. Jan 3, 2018 #263 of 527
    Dan203

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    Regardless of who they're targeting the current version of Hydra is less usable then the old UI. It's not just that it's changed. It's that they made it harder to do things. Some simple examples.... When you go to the main screen the little suggestion bar along the bottom is highlighted rather then the menu. When you're watching a show and you pull up any of the little UI elements by pressing left, right or up on the D pad pressing the back button cycles through all those elements before offering the delete/exit option. The show information screen where you can view upcoming episodes, etc.. is a total mess. Probably the worst screen in the whole UI to use. You can't actually create a Wish List by going to the Wish List menu, instead you have to use Search which isn't intuitive at all. Why not have a Create Wish List option in the Wish List screen? Instead they just have some vague description of what a Wish List is with no explanation as to how to create one. And there are dozens of other little issues like this that make the UI harder to use then the old one.

    There are things TiVo can do to fix it up and make it more usable, but who knows if they will. It took them almost a decade to finish the HDUI in the current UI. So how long is it going to take them to fix/finish this one?
     
  4. Jan 3, 2018 #264 of 527
    BobCamp1

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    Why not do both? Shrink the picture part of the tile a bit and have some of text like you described at the bottom? I think SxxEyy and maybe (part of the) episode title would be a good start and would avoid the problem that the TV series have -- the same picture repeated over and over again with no obvious way to differentiate the recordings.

    I think Hydra wasn't finished in time for Xmas and Rovi just released whatever they had at the time. I expect improvements in the late winter/early spring release. But live guide isn't even on their radar.
     
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  5. Jan 3, 2018 #265 of 527
    wtherrell

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    AMEN!
     
  6. Jan 3, 2018 #266 of 527
    TonyD79

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    Only one comment. You really don’t understand what a back button is. It is not “up” but is actually back. Like a computer browser or windows explorer. I’d rather it be consistent to go through everything in the list than guess what it is going to do.

    As for the home screen. You actually arrow around that? Gee, TiVo went to all the trouble to expose the shortcuts and you aren’t using them? BTW, arrow up and you to to the menu items.

    I do agree they should have a shortcut to create a wishlist in the wishlists. Hardly a showstopper. They have shortened so many other things that I do every day, I can live with that. And yet they can tweak those things. Hardly a damnation of Hydra.

    Face it, most tivo zealots hate Hydra because it doesn’t look like the old cartoon interface. If they put garish outlines around everything and made it blue and yellow, the TiVo fanboys would be standing on chairs cheering.
     
  7. Jan 3, 2018 #267 of 527
    Dan203

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    That doesn’t apply to me. I actually like how it looks. I don’t like how it functions.
     
  8. Jan 3, 2018 #268 of 527
    wtherrell

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    Not THIS Zealot!

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  9. Jan 3, 2018 #269 of 527
    toricred

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    I actually completely agree with TonyD79. The old interface had me very hesitant to go with Tivo. I'm much happier with Hydra. Now if Comcast would just get their costs down.
     
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  10. Jan 4, 2018 #270 of 527
    aaronwt

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    I rarely use the shortcut buttons because I need to look at the remote to use them. And I can use the TiVo remotes without looking at them for the buttons on the top two thirds. But the buttons on the bottom third I need to look at to use. So it's easier for me not to use the numbers. Plus I need to move my hand to use the lower part of the remote. So it's easier and quicker for me to use page up/down and the d-pad to get to the shortcuts.

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  11. Jan 4, 2018 #271 of 527
    RichB

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    I completely agree. While others are making UI's that require fewer discrete buttons, Hydra requires more buttons. The back buttons now a must use when right arrow was sufficient.

    UI are supposed to be intelligent but Hydra wants to treat a single show as a folder even though all existing TiVo users know the difference.

    The TiVo mini Vox completely forgets which TV it was connected to and goes back to the default. It also does not remember the channel last watched and tunes channel 2.

    Modern UI's are context sensitive. It would be OK if it were consistent but my Shows is a mess, wastes screen space, requires extreme dexterity to go up, over, down, select, .... to get to another TiVo.

    I don't mind that it needs work but the answer to substantive critique cannot be "It's a modern UI". No, it is a new and somewhat functionally deficient UI. So, why not fix it?

    - Rich
     
  12. Jan 4, 2018 #272 of 527
    Johncv

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    DirecTV Genie box does the same thing and I just hate it.
     
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  13. Jan 4, 2018 #273 of 527
    tenthplanet

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    But what is hip ??
     
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  14. Jan 5, 2018 #274 of 527
    foghorn2

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    This has been part of my argument in the Plex sucks thread I created. But in this case Hydra is a work in progress and functional. Yes there annoying quirks being worked, but it works. As long as I can look at programming from just one channel to choose recordings from it, I could live without Live guide and Ted's teaser seems to be a direction towards that.

    The back button is fine, its modern and millions of people have learned to use it on their Roku's and Fire TV's already. The main functionality I miss is playing TiVo files from another tivo or lan storage. The Live Guide nor the back button are deal breakers.
     
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  15. Jan 5, 2018 #275 of 527
    emuman100

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    Is there a way to do this on the Premiere?
     
  16. Jan 5, 2018 #276 of 527
    Dan203

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    You can still play recordings from another TiVo. There is a devices list where you can pick other TiVos on your network and browse them just like before.
     
  17. Jan 5, 2018 #277 of 527
    lpwcomp

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    As long as your "other TiVos" are S4s or later.
     
  18. Jan 5, 2018 #278 of 527
    bobfrank

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    Thank you for the honest comments about the future of the live guide. I use it some, but not much. My wife, however, uses it constantly as a means of finding movies or other shows to record that she wouldn't otherwise know about. So I'm voting to bring the live guide to Hydra.

    Much more important to me, even if this is the wrong thread to mention it, is the ability to transfer shows to and from my computer. I like to put my home and vacation videos on the Tivo to watch. I also really like copying my DVD movies to the Tivo instead of watching on the DVD player.

    This will keep me from moving to Hydra and keep me from moving to the Bolt until it's addressed.
     
  19. Jan 5, 2018 #279 of 527
    emuman100

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    It means you complain to Tivo and let them know. They are a terrible company now. Don't just accept it as "change".
     
  20. Jan 5, 2018 #280 of 527
    TonyD79

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    When I left DirecTV, Genie had four buffers. What happened?
     

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