Hydra... Bring back Live Guide!!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JACKASTOR, Oct 31, 2017.

Bring Back Live Guide Option in Hydra!!

  1. Bring it back, and make it an Optional Choice please.

  2. Prefere the Grid Guide To all Else.

  3. Undecided, I have trouble knowing whats good or not.

  1. Dec 4, 2017 #221 of 527

    tvmaster2 Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2006


    From what few demos I’ve seen here or on Youtube, Hydra looks just like the crappy Cox Contour / Comcast xfiniti dvr’s, which I find are really unintuitive, take way to long to maneuver, and waste perfectly good, visual real estate. Filling the space with big, bright shiny boxes is great if you’re looking for that kind of thing, but I’m not looking to get turned-on by a TV guide system. I’m looking for shows, rec times, alternate dates, info on actors, CC and 5.1 info.
    If the two column view and live guide are gone, it may finally be time to say “goodbye” to Tivo.
    Do they realize the layout was primarily the reason A LOT of us bought Tivo’s in the first place?
    Any crappy dvr can record TV. Only the Tivo allowed us to do it differently, quickly, easily. Baffled.
    As long as Hydra isn’t ‘forced’ on us, then fine.
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2017
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  2. tivobw

    tivobw Member

    Oct 26, 2002
    Redmond, WA
    I agree 100%! Well put!

    My wife and I have enjoyed using Tivos since the late '90s. This recent upgrade has caused us a lot of frustration (we're having to "re-learn" Tivo, which would be OK if we could see the benefit, but we don't really see it, yet; and the smaller font size is annoying; oh and the loss of the live guide is a major pain point).

    Comcast offers us free X1s for our service but we have refused, instead paying Tivo tens of dollars each month for multiple Tivos, while paying Comcast for cable card rental fees as well. We have done this gladly month after month for years, as we very much enjoyed the interface and performance of Tivo. This latest upgrade has us shaking our heads. We wish we could roll back to the prior version, but alas, we cannot! We are trapped with this ``Hydra'' which is quite unfortunate. I am not sure how this ever got out of beta testing. Was it tested on ``real'' Tivo users before release? Based on the number of frustrated posts I have seen, it sure seems like it wasn't.

    For now we are continuing to use Tivo since we really hope improvements are made to Hydra. If we don't see improvements after some time, we may say farewell to Tivo and just use whatever Comcast offers for free.:oops:
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  3. tvmaster2

    tvmaster2 Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2006
    I’m starting to seriously wonder if Tivo WANTS us to defect. Maybe they’ve made a big, backroom deal with all the cable co.’s to supply the interface for their rental boxes, and the cable co.’s want us to dump TiVo in favor of their crappy rental devices. There’s really no, LOGICAL reason TiVo would kill what has made so many of us paying customers, unless the only logic is complete illogic. Where’s Spock, I’m getting a headache...
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  4. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    You can rollback to the gen3 interface but you will lose all recordings unless you can transfer them to another TiVo or to a PC.

  5. Bighouse

    Bighouse 200 Club Member

    Sep 3, 2004
    Guerneville, CA


    Without the Live Guide, my current TiVo models will be my last models. Sad because I was thinking of upgrading to a Bolt Vox to enjoy 4K on my TiVo. I bought TiVo originally for the DVR functionality many years ago. The Live Guide was simply icing on the cake. Never liked the grid guide- it wasn't as useful to me as the Live Guide. If I wanted a DVR with a grid guide, I can get that from Comcast's STBs.
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  6. samccfl99

    samccfl99 I Am Sometimes Vocal

    Sep 7, 2013
    If Comcast would get it's Trillion Dollar head out of it's A$$ and make all tuners buffer, maybe it might be a viable alternative for some. My friend has an X1 and it sucks compared to Gen3. Gen4 on the other hand is more like the X1. Not For Me! Yet...
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  7. Hamstring

    Hamstring Member

    Feb 12, 2007
    Chicago, IL
    I used the live guide lot and wish it was there. Now I use the vox to get what’s on a channel for the day or the month It pops up on the bottom to scroll through.
  8. johnfasc

    johnfasc Active Member

    Dec 24, 2014
    Live guide....if it matters anymore
  9. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    I am stunned that Comcast has only one buffer on X1. Show the last 10 channels tuned but no buffers. Even the crappy fios box buffers the most recent channel.
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  10. Jan 1, 2018 #230 of 527

    nrc Cracker Soul

    Nov 17, 1999
    Living in a...
    I won't willingly switch to Hydra without a Live Guide.
  11. Jan 1, 2018 #231 of 527

    walkerism The Clean Up Man

    Aug 16, 2001
    Miami, FL
    How do you do that withe vox?
  12. Jan 1, 2018 #232 of 527

    razter New Member

    Oct 9, 2011
    Me either! Tried using Hydra on my Bolt and my wife's Bolt, but after three weeks of use, we both decided that we would be much happier with the old interface and Live Guide and switched back and are very happy with our decision.
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  13. Jan 2, 2018 #233 of 527

    samccfl99 I Am Sometimes Vocal

    Sep 7, 2013
    TED, if you see this maybe you can find out if Tivo is planning on putting the Live Guide back into Gen4. As you can see, many people either rolled back or plain refuse to go to Gen4 without it. I know Tivo, Inc loves its secrets, but I think this question needs to be answered.

    THANKS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR (will it be for Tivo Owners???)
  14. Jan 2, 2018 #234 of 527

    MikeChrisPhil New Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    I am still looking for where the guide names are called out. I have had Bolt (hydra) for a few weeks now. I want the guide that was native to Premier. Left column shows channel and right column scrolls DOWN into the future.

    The Bolt guide requires side scrolling on the channel into infinity. Bad cheap cable box design. The what’s on now will overlay live tv by cursor up and over but all that is just a cheap party trick. My main reason for DVRing anything is to record stuff when I’m not home. I can’t see my favorite networks at a glance and scroll two weeks into the future much easier by paging down and browsing


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  15. Jan 2, 2018 #235 of 527

    TiVo_Ted Well-Known Member

    Oct 3, 2000
    Thanks for lighting up the bat signal. As of now, we have no plans to bring back the live guide in its current form. The gen4 design has not been implemented in its full form yet. Additionally, we are doing research with new and existing customers to understand where we can improve usability. Next week at the Consumer Electronics Show we will be demonstrating the first set of UI enhancements to the gen4 interface. One of these enhancements will include functionality which enhances the one-line guide which you access by pressing arrow-up on live TV. I'm attaching a couple of screen shots so that you can see what it will look like. This is scheduled for release towards the end of February.

    As a bit of a historical reference, I helped design the Live Guide in 1999 during my first stint at TiVo. I am quite fond of it as well, and would bring it back if it were easy. Our current priority is to improve the current gen4 UI vs. bringing back Live Guide. That doesn't mean we will never bring it back, it just means we're not bringing it back soon.

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  16. Jan 2, 2018 #236 of 527

    mike246 New Member

    Jul 22, 2016
    This looks like the same crap you get on the smart bar. I doubt that people who want the Live Guide would rather have more visuals taking up more room and providing less information. That may be good for the reading impaired, but really shows the disregard Tivo seems to have for existing customers. “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.” - Apple 1977
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  17. Jan 2, 2018 #237 of 527

    sangs Active Member

    Jan 1, 2003
    New Jersey
    Thanks for the update Ted. Looks good to me and I am not visually impaired and have also been a long time TiVo customer.
  18. Jan 2, 2018 #238 of 527

    PSU_Sudzi Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2015
    Philly suburbs
    Thanks for the update and being honest with us. I may give Hydra another go after some additional updates you guys make but like some other users, Live Guide is so integral to how I use my TiVo it seems unlikely I would make the switch permanent.
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  19. Jan 2, 2018 #239 of 527

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    This is the problem with the whole Hydra UI in my opinion. It's all form over function. It looks nice, but it's much harder to use. I understand the desire to create something that looks nicer and more modern, but if it's more difficult to use then what's the point? Just so you can have some fancy screen shots to show investors?

    Ted.... I really hope one of the things you plan to address is the inconsistency in the UI. One of the things that bugs me most about Hydra is the inconsistent use of horizontal vs vertical scrolling. In my opinion horizontal show ALWAYS be used to change/filter a list and vertical should ALWAYS be used to select an option from that list. In some places you have actual options on horizontal lists and it just ruins the usability.
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  20. Jan 2, 2018 #240 of 527

    sangs Active Member

    Jan 1, 2003
    New Jersey
    Seems to me TiVo Hydra is geared more toward today's consumers - and they like their visuals. You have to do what you can to stay in business and garner more users. If that means some of the old guard gets annoyed, so be it. Change happens. I certainly know my father never likes change, but he always adapts, after his bitching period. I'd like to think the TiVo crowd - which I assume is not a 70-year-old man that's stubbornly stuck in his ways - can do the same.
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