Humans: "Pilot" OAD 06/28/2015

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  1. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

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    I know that is a BSG reference, but I do not see how that relates to what I wrote.
     
  2. ej42137

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    According to the showrunner, it's an alternate universe with nothing different except the existence of synths, created by a lone inventor who is now deceased. Presumably the technology that was needed to create the synths has not yet been integrated into society as a whole yet. Certainly a weak point for me too, but this would be the "one impossible thing" traditionally allowed in a science fiction story.

    As far as restoring them from backup, what would be the point? They are artificial servants, not information appliances. The information they contain is about as important as the settings on your television, at least from the point of view of the manufacturers and customers. I don't think anyone is asking the synths their opinion (yet). Of course the robocop is a different story altogether, but we don't know her full story yet.

    I think he means you're bringing in elements outside the story which they are trying to tell. Clearly the nature of the synths is allegorical, and they would loose focus by dealing with the issues you bring up. It's not that kind of story.
     
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  3. john4200

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    Not true. Even the standard models seem capable of learning quite a bit (or terabit). They are essentially expert systems that are trained. Anyone with any sense would back that up so the information they have learned is not lost in case of damage or malfunction.
     
  4. ej42137

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    Point successfully missed.
     
  5. john4200

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    Nope, I did not miss your point.

    What you are missing is that even the standard model synths learn over time. For example, a housekeeping synth learns all the routines and habits of the household. It does not do that instantaneously. It takes days or weeks to learn it. That is something that anyone with any sense would want to back up.

    And that goes double or triple for the more advanced models.
     
  6. ej42137

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    No, that was not my point, you seem to have missed my point. Let me try to make my point again.

    If you have a housekeeper, do you make her keep notes about everything she has learned to do for you so that if she gets hit by a car the next one you hire won't have to relearn the routine of your house? No, when your housekeeper quits for some reason the average person just bites the bullet and tells the next one what to do all over again.

    Or, once you've setup your TiVo with all the season passes and channel maps set up just the way you like it, do you take the hard drive out and make an image backup to save those settings? No, when your TiVo dies most people just get it replaced and set it up again without recourse to any backups.

    The information about the routines of one's house isn't critical information that is difficult to recreate. For that matter, most people don't backup their critical and hard to recreate files on their computers, so it would be unreasonable for people to take the trouble, even if it were to be possible, to take backups of relatively unimportant and easy to recreate data like how I like my silver polished.

    It's not even specified as yet that the technology exists in the "Humans" alternate universe to do a backup of a synth mind. The information required to support the things synths do, such as natural language processing, would require memory stores far larger than are commonly available in current technology; and the world of the synths does not include any technology beyond our present day except for the synths themselves.
     
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  7. MonsterJoe

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    Meanwhile, there have been a handful of additional episodes....

    Somebody make the threads.

    My thread creating subroutine was compromised when I spilled coffee in my lap and I don't have a backup.
     
  8. john4200

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    Again, I did not miss your point. Your point is just absurd. Anything that takes days or weeks to create is backed up by anyone with a lick of sense. That goes for common data such as specific household knowledge, and double or triple for more unique data such as the advanced models have.
     
  9. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    To tie this back into the show, the primary reason Dr. Milican was trying to keep Ollie and prevent him from being recycled was because Dr. Milican is starting to forget things, and Ollie had lots of memories of experiences he'd shared with George, as well as things George had told him. It is unreasonable to think that a user in George's position would have to retain old hardware in order to retain those memories, but that appears to be exactly what the show is telling us.
     
  10. john4200

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    The reason I did not get into specifics is because it would start to get spoilery, except for events that happened in the pilot (and my memory, ahem, is a bit vague on what happened in the pilot and what happened after).

    Discussion should probably move to this thread:

    http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=530721
     
  11. MonsterJoe

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    astrohip just created a season thread
     
  12. Rob Helmerichs

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    Odi, FWIW.
     
  13. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Good call. My bad. I guess I got confused because the character he plays on GoT is Olyvar.
     
  14. mattack

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    Wait, was that made clear?

    I sure thought it was just because he was emotionally attached(*) to that robot and wanted to keep him.

    (*) stupid illogical humans.
     
  15. ej42137

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    It is suggested that it's the memories of the dead wife that causes the attachment to the synth, but it has not been made explicit, at least so far.
     

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