HR21: Upgrade Internal HD

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  1. Fezmid

    Fezmid New Member

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    Ok, I got the security torx screwdriver, am inside the box -- but can't figure out how to get the stupid drive out! It's in some black plastic tray that's screwed to the mainboard as well as the front of the frame. I removed all of those screwed, but now there's some capacitors preventing me from sliding the tray out. Is there something I'm missing? Is there a detailed guide somewhere?

    EDIT: based on a few posts, looks like I"ll have to tilt it up and try getting it over the capacitor....... :(
     
  2. RandCfilm

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    Same thing when installing, just pay attention and be patient it will all come together. :)
     
  3. Fezmid

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    Surgery is done and was a complete success!

    Good news -- taking an external drive and moving it internal does *NOT* affect the recorded shows (which is what I expected would be the case).

    I'm now running with a 1TB Green Power drive. AND I now own some security torx bits. Pretty cool :)
     
  4. jmathey

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    Does the size of the buffer matter on the drives? I have an HR21-100 that works flawlessly with the original 320 WD drive. I put an external drive eSATA in a Thermaltake MAX 4 case and the HR21 now freezes intermitently?

    The drive is a MAXTOR 1 TB with a 32 mb buffer.

    If someone here convinces me that moving it to internal may solve the issue, I'll do it. I've been modifying the TIVO's ( standalone and dvr's) for many years and I'm not worried about opening the case, and I don't really care about voiding the lease agreement. I'll buy them a new dvr if it really screws up. :)

    I'm open to purchasing a new drive if someone passes me a suggestion. I've used WD's with no issue, just went with the maxtor for price.


    thanks in advance
    John
     
  5. sjberra

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    Might be enclosure. Take a look over at http://www.dbstalk.com/ there is a huge discussion there on decent enclosures and estata cables
     
  6. Fezmid

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    I'd go internal if I were you. Less cables, less chances of issues. From what I've read, internal never has any problems whereas external potentially has enclosure/cable issues.
     
  7. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    Would you say that this implies that if you have an external 1 TB drive, and your internal drive goes belly up, that you could move the x drive to become internal and then later put a second drive into the old 1TB enclosure? Or could you simply replace the internal with a bare drive? I'm not sure I understand where the system software resides and how simple or difficult it might be to recover from a bad drive.

    But if you could do either of these things, I think its preferable to having the entire box replaced.
     
  8. stevel

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    The system software resides in flash memory on the motherboard. You can, it would seem, replace the internal drive with one that had been connected externally, but then there would be no point to adding yet another external drive as the box will ignore the internal drive if an external one is connected.
     
  9. jmathey

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    Anyone know if there are ny issues with the GP WD drives? I'm going to crack my case and put one in, they were on sale at Frys for $154, but would like to know if anyone is experiencing any issues with it before I crack it.

    Don't want to have to redo it :)
     
  10. RandCfilm

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    I think I read this on another forum. Someone did hook up their drive to be external while ordering tools to open the case. Then installed the external drive to be the internal drive and all recording were still there. So moving the drives external to internal does not lose recordings.
     
  11. Fezmid

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    You actually read it in this thread... Post #43 to be exact. ;)

    I have a WD GP 1TB drive (you can get it a lot cheaper than $159... I got it for $129 at Frys or NewEgg, can't recall) and haven't had any issues with it.

    I had it external for a few days, then moved it internal and all of my recordings and season passes were still there. Worked like a champ.

    I just put a 750G GP drive in my other HR21.
     
  12. RandCfilm

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    How lazy can I get? :D At least it wasn't 2 posts above mine, not that 7 posts was to far to review.
     
  13. jmathey

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    Another successful internal upgrade.

    Piece of cake compared to the tivo days, infinitely easier than before we had the MFS Tools.

    Some gotchas:

    Mine is an HR21-100

    1: Double check the direction of the fan when you pull it out of the bracket. I'm still not 100% sure I put it back in correctly. The air flow should be blowing away from the drive. I felt the air coming from that direction so I think I'm ok. Usually there's a little arrow indicating the direction of the air flow, but couldn't find one on that. In hindsight, might be safer and easier to pull the fan power connector from the motherboard to be sure you don't reverse the fan flow. Lesson learned.

    2: There is a sponge that comes out. In my case, it was adhered to the top of the case, I'm assuming it fits over the top of the drive. To be honest, I'm not sure what it's for. Sound dampening I'm assuming. I put it back by just placing it on top of the drive and fitting the cover back over the top of it.

    3: Some needle nose pliers or tweezers come in handy when trying to pull the screws from the holes on the motherboard, once you loosen them. I didn't have a magnetic TP torx screwdriver so double teaming with some needlenose pliers helped out alot.

    4: Be very careful of the capacitors around the left side ( power supply side) of the drive. They are easy to knock out when maneruvering the bracket around, but if you keep an eye from underneath, you should be able to clear it by tilting and sliding it under the front edge.

    All in all, pretty straight forward.... cover off to cover on time was less than 30 minutes.

    As for voiding the warranty, I still don't understand why DTV doesn't just make these with a plug and play slot where we can just put a new drive in easier. The software is now on THEIR flash memory so what' s the difference. We're not hacking the service, just adding more drive space.

    Ok.. end the ranting.. .!!! :)


    Enjoy the new space..just in time for college football season :)

    John
     
  14. TyroneShoes

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    True, but I hardly agree there would be no point. I have an internal with about 22% available and an external 1 TB with about 67% available. While it is not very practical from a content management perspective, I still end up switching about once a week, which is no more difficult other than a painless 6-minute waiting game. I still find having both drives available (while granted, never at the same exact time) preferable to abandoning one or the other.

    But if DTV could (Ahem!) find a way to incorporate the NPL into that flash memory, that would be a huge improvement.
     
  15. stevel

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    Ok, I can see that. It makes a good archive strategy, though it does complicate things if you have active recordings while using an "archive" disk.
     
  16. newsposter

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    all this talk of internals and externals got me thinking

    I used to think it was stupid the directv series wont marry an internal and external drive as one drive. But then i thought that if one of my HDtivo drives go, the other one is 'trash' as well. (i wouldnt call that a blessing)

    so unless one can get the internal and external to not crash together in the directv units, i hope they never 'marry' them (note i dont have any externals)
     
  17. stevel

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    I agree - married disk drives significantly increase the chance of losing everything. Dual disks made sense back when drives were small, but not nowadays.
     
  18. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    Yep.

    As an example of how it can be a pain (and this is just a warning to those who might not have thought this through) the local CW here sometimes "forgets" to air a program in HD. For a serialized program such as "Smallville" that is death. I had to stop watching and let eps pile up while waiting for the HD repeat, which finally came about July. But by then I had a dozen eps backed up, and half were sprinkled through one drive and half were on the other, in no particular order. That makes it a little inconvenient when it becomes time to play back the next one in serial order, even if it did give me fresh TV all summer long.
     
  19. sk33t3r

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    Just to be clear, you had an external drive with content recorded, then you moved it internal and the recordings were still intact that you had recorded on the external drive?

    If someone hooks up an external drive do the recordings from teh internal get moved to the external? Hooking up the external drive makes the internal one disabled correct?


     
  20. stevel

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    Nothing gets moved. If you connect an external drive, the internal one is "disconnected".
     

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