Advertisements So, do you want to know what problems there are with the HR20 or what you might miss on the HR20 from the Tivo? Well, here it is and others can feel free to add to it. Now this thread may get locked for breaking the rules and that's fine. But it's pretty obvious there is a lot of mud slinging around here and perhaps this thread well help stop that. Besides, none of this is a secret. A quick look at DBSTalk will show you. As I've stated before when challenged, every receiver, every service, everything in life has Pros and Cons. One just needs to make an informed decision and move on. As for the HR20, some people feel they are between a rock and a hard place. The fact is that if you want to get the new HD coming and eventually all HD from the sats you will need to get an HR20 like it or not. If any of the below issues are dealbreakers then it's time to look at other options. If you have a good cable company then the Series 3 Tivo may be a great choice. If you have Comcast the Comcast Tivo might be coming out soon. Dish also has a good selection of DVRs, the ViP series is their best yet. But it's not Tivo. And of course there is always a Series 2 Tivo connected to pretty much anything. All good choices. As always, the best place to discuss this is DBSTalk, a sister site of this forum which is owned by the same people along with AVS. And here are a few starter threads for you. HR20 Forum: http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=112 HR20 Tips and Tricks: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=72648 Tivo to HR20 Survival Guide: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=69404 Wish List: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=80600 (Note that DirecTV has responded to this list and granted many of them in recent months.) Current Issues Channels I Receive (CIR) This does not currently work as it shows all channels. This effects you if you want to do a search or autorecord search. Depending on what you are searching for it may pull up programs on channels you do not get. Once older receivers are updated to handle the changes in the data stream this will then function correctly. "Short" recordings Some users have noticed short recordings. Typically it's just a few seconds. In my own testing the HR20 seems to start a recording 5-7 seconds later then a Tivo. There are a couple large threads at DBSTalk working thru the problem and a lot of good things have come out of them for DirecTV to look at. This of course is not the problem where the networks just didn't start on time or ran long. As we all know this effects all DVRs. A DVR is only as good as the guide data. Show doesn't record (Error 13) Seems to happen sometimes when the guide data has no episode title. Doesn't always happen though. Mostly seen by those that record a lot of kids programming off Disney. Other then that there isn't a widespread problem of shows not recording. Again, good thread on DBSTalk that worked the problem. Unlike what some people say here, you don't get flamed for posting problems about the HR20. On the contrary, the problem is worked out and information presented to DirecTV in hopes they can fix it. The odd crash or lockup Amazingly enough people with the HR20 may get a lockup or crash just like any other receiver out there. It's pretty rare nowadays but it does indeed happen. Shocker. Things you might miss from Tivo Dual Live Buffers (DLBs) The big one. There are 2 tuners (4 actually...2 sat and 2 OTA) on the HR20 and it functions just like the HR10 in that you can record 2 things at once and watch a 3rd recorded program. But what you can't easily do is switch between 2 live programs and preserve a buffer for both as there is only 1 live buffer. It's not a bug but a design descision. There is a VERY large thread on DBSTalk about DLBs and it's probably the top requested feature. Advanced Wishlists For those that did basic searching (title, keyword, etc) on the Tivo will find it very similar on the HR20 and you can autorecord as well. What's not here are advanced wishlist functionality (like a keyword with 5 more filters applied). So if you depend on advanced wishlists be aware. It has been mentioned that more advanced searching is on the list of enhancements. "Tivo style" guide It's not here. There is a reason why it's called the "Tivo style" guide, it's only on a Tivo. On the HR20 you can highlight the channel number in the guide and press the Info button to get a listing of all programs on that channel for the next 2 weeks, but it's not the same. Suggestions/Thumbs It's just a Tivo thing. Search on custom list Currently you cannot search or setup autorecords on a custom list. It's an oft requested feature request that I myself have championed that even after CIR is working we still need to be able to eliminate channels we don't want from searches Autocorrection This was just added in the current national release that started rolling out this weekend. Yes it's a Tivo patent but somehow DirecTV added it. Seems to work pretty much the same. OTA Scanning While OTA works fine on the HR20 there is no blind scanning feature so it relies on Tribune guide data for the OTA stations. Remember that OTA reception is an art, not a science and that all OTA tuners are different. So just like the HR10's OTA tuners can be better or worse then the one you had before, same for the HR20. It can be better or worse for you depending on your situation. Series Link (season pass) limits Currently, for whatever reason, there is a limit of 50 total series links. Don't ask why, nobody knows. There has been talked about this limit being lifted or upped. No other information about it. "Peanut" Remote Obviously this is a Tivo only thing. If the peanut remote is your #1 must have then you'll be disappointed. ------------------------------------------------ Ok, so there is it. I won't speak to any advantage the HR20 may have as that will just incite the flamers. Hopefully this thread will help to stop the FUD and foster better discussions in the future.