HR20-700S - Works great, what's the big deal?

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A mini-dv output, is not a analog capture. You are correct there.

But if you are going out via Component or composite. that is in turn, an analog signal running on those lines. (Component is not a digital output).

but we are talking symantics here....

Local Production houses can afford equipment and software, that most of us wouldn't even come close to understanding how to setup and use... let alone pay for.. I only wish I could get some of their rejects.

 

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Components are a cable able to carry a digital signal correct?

The avid express pro software and mojo can work with HD files, they make them an express file then during rendering/authoring they are sent to their final codec.

Anyway, the avid mojo is able to recieve digital signals from firewire and I thought component also but that maybe broken into analog like you stated..bummer.

Production houses mostly use avid symphony or higher. The production house I have been in and out of has a couple of these, they have dual 3.6 p4's and it takes forever to render video in hd. All hd stuff is handled I belive with digibeta decks and the cameras themselves.

So i guess mojo is not able to either unless The component in is digitial but I think that becomes analog.

It would be nice if I could save football games to disk in HD, but then again the burners are ridiculously priced anyway!!!

 

Content providers are working ever-harder to prevent this. Unfortunately. The HR10-250 may be the last box that one can do-something-we're-not-allowed-to-talk-about from digitally.

Back to the HR20: no OTA = dealbreaker for me. As frustrated as I am getting with 6.3a, I have no intention of giving up all of my OTA channels. Here in the Chicago area, D* only offers the big 4 via the bird...but as Earl well knows, there are oodles and boodles of OTA digital channels available. I could lose some, but not WGN (Cubs), and not WWME (26.2) -- even though it's not HD, it's still 720x480 w/dolby audio, and the remastered Trek looks much better there than it does on the SD satellite feed. (And my wife likes PBS Create on 11.3, and there's 26.1 which often has Cubs games, and...)

 

WOW! That is totally freaking amazing! 8 whole recordings without an issue! When you've had 800 go without an issue please post back. I once sat in a Yugo and it didn't fall apart. That must mean it's a reliable car.

 

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Hey fanboy, it's also 100%, why don't *you* post back when your DVR records with 100% reliability?

He had the thing for like a day and you need to make sarcastic comments about his sample size?

Seems like you just posted to be a jerk, he was giving his initial impressions, that's all.

 

If you're stupid enough (and apparently you are) to believe that a machine is reliable after 8 whole recordings then you're probably also stupid enough to be posting on a Tivo site about how wonderful the POS HR20 is. What's the old saying? "Misery loves company"

 

Real nice, personal insults.

His post was that it "Wasn't so bad", not that it's wonderful, and his sample size is what it is.

Seriously, just use it, or try it, or go to a friend's house before you declare it a POS. Doing so without it is just ignorant. If you want to say, "I have no need or desire to look around.", that's fine, but it doesn't give you any authority to say it's a POS. You simply don't know.

Call me stupid to my face sometime toughguy, in that moment, it won't be your choice of DVR that has you scared.

 

Lol, whatever scary anonymous internet man. The OP's sample size was completely useless. His coming onto a Tivo forum after using an HR20 for one whole day to say how great it was is nothing more than a flame imo. If he likes it I'm very happy for him, but please don't pretend it's trouble free because he's had it for a day and it's recorded 8 shows without a problem.

Anyway, about the HR20, I'll think about getting one when I see the software updates slowing down a little more and I see that there are far fewer people having problems with it. So far from a lot of the threads I've seen on other forums it's plagued with many issues. I have no desire to drop my much more reliable (even after the 6.3a update) HR10 for a machine that does less and has a lot more problems. I certainly don't need to use it to know that.

I'm certainly no Tivo fanboy but if that's what you want to think go right ahead. I'm after a reliable dvr that records my shows when I want them. The HR20 doesn't do that. Neither do the cable co. dvr's. Right now Tivo is the best in reliability and the only people who will argue that are kidding themselves. Having the Tivo interface is not a big deal to me and there are things I don't like about it that are better on the HR20 such as a free space indicator and 90 minute buffer. These aren't as important as reliability though.

 

Took you long enough to make a rational statement , glad we were able to get around to it and sorry if I missed it all in your sarcasm.

He wasn't saying that it was great. It seemed to me that he was surprised that it didn't suck. I think maybe you or others would be too. Maybe not.

You surely haven't heard me say that I trust my HR20 more than my TiVo for reliability. Some of that comes from exactly what the HR20 does not have. Longevity.

I don't blame you your decision, I think it's a good one. I just think you could relax a little bit about something that you really don't know much about. I mean, I don't think the OP thought that his 8 shows were scientifically significant. I thought you were piling on.

I'm tougher off the internet because I never fear having to come back and see it in all it's majesty. On here, it's record forever. I could probably take you, but I've thought that and been wrong before. I think I'll use your method this time and just believe it before I try it.

 

Along with the lack of dual buffers, it's threads like this from the other forum:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=71004

that are causing people to hesitate making a change. My personal HR20 experience has not been a positive one thus far, and unless that changes anytime soon I'll keep my family of HR10/250's as my main units.

 

Lots of threads like that here too, especially since 6.3, but I've never once said it's a slam dunk or that anyone *should* switch. I'm trying to say, it's not nearly as bad as it's portrayed here. I didn't believe in it. I kept the HR10 for 2 months backing everything up. Once I needed it. I was nervous and almost expected I would bring the HR10 back down. Since the second to the last update, I've been comfortable with the improvements to the trick plays that I was able to part with it.

During that transition for me was a romantic period I would have about the HR10 when the HR20 was being flaky or I hadn't yet learned to maneuver as easily. Then I would go upstairs and program a recording, or try to delete several things and i started to appreciate some other things the HR20 has that the HR10 does not.

That's just me. I've never suggested to anyone that they switch or that they are in any way making a bad decision by not switching.

The HR20 is not the bogeyman. It's a good DVR. It's getting better at a very high rate. I'm still optimistic about it's long term chances.

 

And as you go through that thread, and the others just like it...
You'll find that there are plenty of people that are not having issues... who love the unit.

And on the flip, threads that are started "praising" the unit, people chime in that are having issues.

Why? Both are happing... There are people that are having issues, then there are people that are not.

You find the same thing here in this forum... "the HR10 sucks for me", "great for me." Few forums up about the Tivo Series 3, ect...

So all that link thread really provides, is more information for you as the consumer to make your choice.... Do you want the HR20 in the state that it is, given the information. Or do you want to wait for a while.

 

Lol, thats what I get for getting on this forum at work. I don't reply back very fast. Let's just leave it at this, you like your HR20 and I'm glad you do, as I'm sure I'll have one someday anyway. I just hope they work out the bugs in the thing.

Looking back at my post towards you it does look like I called you stupid. That was stupid of me, as I know from your posts that you're far from stupid. Let's face it, we're just talking about dvr's here and they're not worth the battle of words.

 

No doubt kbohip. We are surely on the same side.

 

I think we're all pretty much on the same side, really. We want content, reliable programming, a solid GUI, and extra features where possible. For the lowest cost.

 

FYI... Chicago WGN (The CW) was just added to the MPEG-4 lineup... today

 

Yep, as a group though we're still stuck on the definition of those things.

 

Can't disagree...and I can put up with bugs and subtle nuances; I cannot tolerate missed recordings though, and this seems to be a somewhat consistant theme.

Miss one episode of Heroes, Prison Break or DH at my house....and my side of the bed gets awful lonely (yes, I'm exaggerating ).

I don't think you can honestly state that the unit is 100% ready for prime-time and Joe Consumer...I've been on the line with D* support several times, and even they have said as much; if everything was a-ok, they wouldn't need to keep trying these downloads.

If the thing had its' flaws and didn't feck up recordings, I'd be okay with it....I'll still be unhappy about the (lack of) dual b's ...but I'll at least be satisfied.

I'd love to be singing its' praises inside of 3 months, but I will remain skeptical until it becomes consistant with DVR 101: scheduled recordings.

An opinion.