HR20-700S - Works great, what's the big deal?

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  1. bigpuma

    bigpuma Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand what people don't like about the GUI on the HR20. I find it to be very intuitive and even my wife who is the most non-technical person I know easily has figured it out. In fact there are things about the GUI that I like much better than the HR10. Especially the mini menu and the grouping of recorded shows.

    That said I definately wouldn't reccomend that someone jump on this DVR now it still has bugs to work out and the OTA is not yet active. I personally moved to the HR20 precisely because I moved and could no longer get locals OTA and wanted to get them via Sat. So for me it makes sense and I have no need for recording OTA. If you currently can record your locals in HD via OTA I wouldn't upgrade until there is programming you can't get with the HR10 which won't happen until sometime in 2007.
     
  2. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

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    Well, as you say that's your *experience,* I'm happy your unit isn't suffering some of the same maladies as many who are complaining on the other forum.

    It seems that there are those who have no problems, while there are those who have a multitude of problems and have thrown (or are getting ready to) in the towel until the thing can consistantly record.

    Even D* CSR's are quick to point out its' problematic ways (just call and ask), which would tell me that these missed/partial recordings (along with some other bugs ,<FF, channel banner>), are not isolated to a handful of users.
     
  3. merlin803

    merlin803 New Member

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    Remember about the posts on the other forum though that it is like any other forum where the norm is to see the "I have a problem posts" because the happy people are not so inclined to post.

    Now, if a new D* user came to this forum, what do you suppose they would think when the saw the 800+ posts about the audio drops on the Dtivo?

    Don't get me wrong, like I said, I still have and use my Dtivo and the thing that pushed me into getting the HR20 was the audio drop outs and the realization that while I liked my Dtivo that *D could not tell me if/when the audio drops would be fixed.

    While we may not like it - the most important factor is D* is supporting the HR20 and putting out weekly fixes (and enhancements) and how long did we have to wait for 6.2? And, how long before another patch to fix 6.2?
     
  4. bwaldron

    bwaldron New Member

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    Problems are over-represented on forums, yes. But you can still get a feel for relatively widespread problems, even if by sheer numbers of reports. Yes, the audio drop problem with 6.3a is real, as can be determined by reading here. Conversely, if you read this forum for the many months preceding that, you'd see that the HR10 is quite problem-free (though slow in many respects) w/ the exception of the HDMI hardware issue early on.

    It's pretty clear to me that the HR20 has issues with its software and possibly its manufacturing QC. It's also clear that MPEG4 has some issues to be resolved, at least in some DMAs. It appears that things are improving, and I hope they continue to.
     
  5. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    Speak for yourself. Losing TiVo will likely be the last straw in my growing dissatisfaction with DirecTV.
     
  6. Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    IMHO, the best thing DirecTV could do going forward is to have TiVo take on the software resposibility for the HR20 and R15 boxes. Of course, there is no chance of that happening right now, and little chance after Liberty Media takes over for Murdoch.
     
  7. samo

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    Thank you, makes at least 2 of us. I like HR20 UI much better than TiVo. I recently moved to HD and for me HR10 was not even a choice because I can't get OTA and I never considered crippled S3 because I refuse to use last century technology to order PPV. HR20 is a very good unit with lot of features that TiVo never had and probably never will. It is not TiVo, but if you don't have a closed mind you will find out that few days of learning differences are well worth it.
    And if you want to talk about bugs or problems with HR20, visit S3 forum first and pray to thank God that you are still with D*.
     
  8. davsherm

    davsherm Active Member

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    I think alot of folks have short memories also. I got my first HR10 early on when they first became available from CC. My first unit was replaced three times for hardware issues - one hdd, one for OTA issues, and one just died. The last replacement unit and second purchased unit have worked flawlessly, my only complaint is the overly sensitive OTA tuner, even on 6.3 (one uses HDMI). D* graciously gave me an upgrade to the HR20 ($99 for three dvrs and dish/multiswitch installed). I have not seen the issues with the HR20 that others have, but I started off with EF version of the software, so I did not see some of the real early versions of the software. I still have one HR10 connected side by side with the HR10, and so far I like the HR20 better. Now one big reason for this is because I am in the Boston DMA and get M4 channels, and do not have to deal with a flakey OTA signal. IMO Dtv should not have released this unit without OTA being enabled unless they could give folks M4 right away, or maybe not released it to folks who were not in a M4 DMA area. The dual buffer thing is not a big deal to me, but I watch one channel at a time, and I usually only watch news or sports live. As far as the interface, all I can say is it is different than Tivo, but it is not rocket science to figure out how to use it. I gave my dad a two minute tour, and he was using it right away. The thing I thought was a little non-intuitive was the SL tab to change the SL settings, but once I set the defaults I never even go back in there, it is 2 clicks for a SL (aka SP). Overall, I think the interface is "fresher", more modern than the HR10, which feels like the same old slow interface that was on my SatT60. All platforms have their problems, like many have mentioned, just check the S3 forum. My two HR10s will be on ebay real soon, I could care less about Tivo.
     
  9. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    Agreed. I try to be very clear that my reports come through only my own experience and along with my own tolerance (having adopted TiVo at software 1.2, the DTivo day one etc).

    One of the biggest points of division in the other forum is between those that have virtually no problems (lucky me), and those that are having seemingly endless troubles.

    I'm not telling anyone to jump ship. If you get your OTA locals, the advantages in programming availability are still months out. I moved for my MPEG4 locals and expected more problems than I had. After 2 months of backing everything up, but never needing the HR10, I sold it to someone who wants it while it still had value.

    Sometimes while I was learning the UI, I would sit on the couch and miss the HR10 a little, then I would go up stairs and schedule a recording and remember some of the things I couldn't stand about it. "Please Wait...."

    Feature sets aside for a moment, just the speed to do ANYTHING is meaningful to my needs.

    But in the end, and this is TiVo's problem, it seems I chose to follow my program provider in spite of my love and loyalty to TiVo. I was going to accept, with fingers crossed, whatever feature set came along. In the end, the number that will follow their DVR Service Provider over their Programming Provider may not be enough.

    I think the HR10 is a great unit. I loved it. When hacked with some of my favorites, it was meeting my needs....until mpeg4.
     
  10. Sir_winealot

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    Well, hopefully D* will have the bugs worked out by the time they shift all to MPEG4 and leave the HR10 with nothing but HD OTA....believe me, I have my fingers crossed that I'm still not reading "this thing is a POS!" on the other forum.

    The track record of the R15 notwithstanding, I know D* engineers are working to this end, but until this happens, I remain skeptical (yes, yes...we know the R15 is a completely different machine).

    I know there's a good possibility too, that they may never implement dual buffers which I realize is unimportant to some...but I find that incredibly short-sighted on the part of D* and it pisses me off. IMO it's a step backward.

    That said, I'm not adverse to switching when and if the time comes....but if there are still problems I guess it's off to cable I go.
     
  11. Titon

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    Braham,...
    All i can say is it's to bad that replaytv never ventured into the HD DVR side. I have one of these units and to this day it works flawlessly. Seems to me D* and it's engineers can't quite figure there own product out. Whether it's Tivo or D* it seems to me there are significant problems with either producer.

    Quite frankly i find myself yearning for my Samsung HD reciever and the Replaytv recorder every day compared to what's currently available. Problem is of course the HD content and the ability to record it. I'm willing to sacrifice some in order to do this. I have the HR10-250 and will not switch to the new unit from D* until the OTA function is operational. The HR10-250 has many many flaws of it's own including the extremely slow guide and the slight hesitation when tuning to an HD channel but again why on god's green earth would anyone pay for a product that isn't fully functional? Whether they can get OTA or not simply having an option for that along with dual buffers is just astounding. Especially what this thing cost's.

    For what's available out there some of us are stuck with D*. But i grow weary of all of this and eventually other option's will have to be explored. Sadly there isn't many to choose from. My holdup on D* has always been the NFL Sunday Ticket but that is something i might have to sacrifice in the end.

    There has been many HD tuners produced by company's that seem to function quite good without all these annoying hiccups. Like i stated my old Samsung is still in service and works great. To bad there's not an option to have other company's make an HD DVR that is more reliable and functional. We can all thank D* for screwing everything up to begin with.
     
  12. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    I think you're right and I don't know why. I use Dual Live Buffers infrequently, so it's not a deal breaker, but it is a puzzler. Why not give that feature? I don't understand what/who they are protecting by holding it back. (sorta like TiVo holding back free space indicator. Just doesn't make a lot of sense)

    I dunno if cable will have better overall solutions for you or not when the time comes.

    I am geeked up for OTA activation and the ability to record 3 things at once. I know it's vapor now, but very soon it will be a DVR first.
     
  13. JJ

    JJ TiVoPlantation Owner

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    Back when
    Cable required 'their' box and the industry shifted with TV tuners to handle the change. TiVo introduced revolutionary products that changed the way we watch TV. DirecTV allowed multiple receivers and we had a choice including TiVo. Choice is now whatever DirecTV offers or keeping legacy hardware that they really no longer want you to have...
     
  14. mikeny

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    I am also psyched for OTA activation but Earl has posted several times that despite the what the manual says, it's a misprint and even when OTA is activated, it'll only record 2 channels at a time.
     
  15. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    Hey Mike, send me a link to that via PM. I must have missed that. Bummer.
     
  16. Theebs

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    I have a few questions. I have no bias towards anything and certainly dont work for any of these companies.

    I bought a new d* hd dvr the 700s last week. I have been using it for a week and have no problems. I am in the DFW area and get all the locals over the satellite.

    The only complaint I have is that yesterdays cowboys bucs game recorded without problem, but during playback it will occasionally just drop the audio? I have to pause it then back it up for a second to get the audio aligned. Really annoying.

    It hasnt missed any recordings however and I have no other problems with it. I have read that this is HD lite? Is this true. My hd has looked great but is it not the quality of say cable or dish network? Would my local channels look better through an OTA? They look great right now though, so anyone that could tell me would be great.

    Like I said though I have had no problems. One last question, Is there a way for me to send the recordings via iee 1394 cable to my pc? I currently capture from my standard tivo to my pc through s-video and audio cables. I then edit and put games on Disc, I would like to keep the game high def and burn in 16x9 format, but if I capture in this manner I will kill the quality. I have read where many just send the file with firewire so is this possible on this unit?

    any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  17. ebonovic

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    Tinley...
    The "HD Lite" is not specific to the HR20...that is a term used to discuss the quality of the HD Package channels (Universal, Discovery, HD-Net, ect (possible HBO and SHO))..

    The MPEG-4's resolution is not changed... hence the "HD Lite" doesn't apply to them, at least the way the internet blogs and websites are defining it.

    There is still an argument about PQ with MPEG-4 vs OTA, but that is not the same as the discussion over HD-Lite.

    As for if it would look better on OTA... depends on the area. On the H20's you have access to both OTA and MPEG-4... at least here in Chicago, there is not "that" much of a difference.

    No. There is no way to send the contents of the HR20 digitally to a computer.
    And right now there is no "cheap" method to send HD Outputs via Analog to a computer.


    For a lot more discussion on the HR20 see www.dbstalk.com
     
  18. Theebs

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    Thank you very much for the response. I didnt think it was HD lite. I dont think there is a difference either in the quality of the local channels via D tv or OTA. My locals look great.

    As for digital transfer, there is a way, not sure how this would downgrade the quality though. I currently run my standard tivo into a capture device with s-video to record all cowboys games then to dvd.

    To do this with a high def signal and keep it high def I am assuming using A mojo via component in would work? This is how production houses carry hi def signals for editing with mojos or similar and digibeta decks.

    I will have an mojo in the near future and am just curious what anyone thinks about that and how it would degrade the original hd quality.
     
  19. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    Tinley...

    Actually that is "by-definition" an Analog Transfer.

    Tha connection between your TiVo and the capture device is S-Video.
    Which is an analog connection... your capture device is then taking it from the Analog Video/Audio signal, and converting it to the "digital" signal your computer looks at.


    Pure "digital" would be able to pull the data file on the DVR, over a network or some other computer connection (firewire, usb, ect).... directly to the computer with no conversion.
     
  20. Theebs

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    I dont think that that is an analog transfer. The avid mojo is a high def capture device. It is used with the avid express pro software. I have seen it in use in a local production house. Many people use it to capture from a mini dv to stay online in editing situations or capture a high def signal.

    I am not sure how this would work as I said, but with the component cables into the mojo this may work.
     

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