HR20-700S - Works great, what's the big deal?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by Bionic_peon, Nov 20, 2006.

  1. mlobitz

    mlobitz Banned in the DBS

    Dec 30, 2001


    I totally agree. I called DTV tonight after having the HR20 for ONE DAY and told them to deactivate it. I'll just use my HR10. I was told that I would have to send the unit back, so they gave me $5 off for 6 months to cover the additional cost of the HR20 until they get it up to snuff. No dual buffers is lame. Who came up with that one? and no OTA is a killer in Sacramento. No FOX HD here over mpeg4. Yes, it's true, we are the only city, well, there might be one other city, without FOX HD over mpeg4 in the whole country. Those two things killed it and now I have a "perfectly good" HR20 just taking up space next to my nice HR10. Maybe in six months DTV will have their act together on the HR20. Also...I waited 2 months, I weathered FOUR MISSED INSTALLATION APPOINTMENTS, for this thing and I shelved it in one day. Get back to me when this thing is ready for prime time. :p
  2. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

    Dec 15, 2003
    Wow, you're really patient mlobitz :D Seriously, for those that have the chance to use both, you should. If the HR20 isn't what you need now, you may see it grow to that as the programming only available on it increases in number.

    One day? I would have sent my TiVo back after one day. A DVR takes time to bond with.
  3. ethos

    ethos New Member

    Sep 18, 2006
    from the review:

    For me the biggest differences between the two are their search capabilities, user interface, and conflict management. Tivo wins (sometimes narrowly) on all three counts with:

    * More straightforward interface requiring fewer screens and button presses.
    * User settable scheduling priorities
    * Better detection of reruns and control over "no-repeat" rule

    All of which makes Tivo the better machine for most uses. UltimateTV has a few advantages:

    * 30-second skip, good for short jumps, and some prefer it for skipping commercials.
    * Automatic padding helps cover for sloppy network scheduling
    * Time restricted repeating recordings control multiply aired shows that lack the guide data Tivos first run & 28 day no-repeat features require
    * Filter options allow a few specialized searches Tivo doesn't

    UltimateTV is competent enough that a particularly appealing feature or a good price would make it worthwhile, but Tivo is a generally better DVR - of course it's also the only one still sold.


    This review was also done back in 2003 before a big upgrade to ultimate TV.

    I dunno I'd say it stuck in there for more than 15min. Plus UTV wasnt afraid to put the 30sec skip button right on the remote without using a code to activate it everytime the power went out.

    If UTV still made boxes i certainly wouldnt have a Tivo. To me at least the UI was rock solid and easy to use. Things like the Pip when your in menus, that everyone seems to like about the HR20, was in the UTV when it launched.

    just my opinion.

  4. bidger

    bidger Active Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Elmira, NY
    I got my first D-TiVo in March 2001 and at that time UTV had dual tuners and that same feature was several months away for the D-TiVo, so the notion they were "left in the dust fifteen minutes" after TiVo debuted isn't how I recall it. The UTV users lorded that fact on sat boards until we finally had dual tuners. And, as a Sports fan, I really wish there were more D* DVRs with PIP.

    What separated the D-TiVo for me was the fact that there was a Lifetime Service option at that time. UTV owners are still paying $9.99/mo., so I'm comfortable with the choice I made. They also didn't get a S2 or a HD-capable model.

    I'm a HR20 and Win MCE user because I don't want to limit my choice when it comes to DVR any more. The whole concept of DVR is more important to me than just one platform. When TiVo eliminated Lifetime as an option, it sent a clear signal to me. IMO, no DVR is worth $19.95/mo. tied to a one year commitment.

    But, Bionic_peon, you're wasting your time trying to convince fans of a platform on a board tied to that platform of the virtues of other DVRs. The reception won't be warm & fuzzy. My HR20 is working fine as well. But, there will be a lot more tolerance of any missteps by TiVo than for another platform here. That's just how it is.
  5. mlobitz

    mlobitz Banned in the DBS

    Dec 30, 2001


    I day isn't a long time, but I have played with these gadgets for YEARS and I have been reading about the HR20 for months. Also, one of my friends has had one for a couple of months. He calls me all the time...why doesn't it do this, why doesn't it do that??? IT"S NOT A TIVO, I tell him, but he keeps trying to switch between tuners :) .

    Here's the ONE DAY the thing had two unwatchable recordings...Heroes and Studio 60...two of my favorite I wasn't too pleased about that. I was wasn't too happy either while I was watching the Lakers/Clippers game on channel 95. It kept going wacky with the pixelation and sound drops, so I quickly powered up my HR10 for the second half...not a SINGLE problem on the same channel...please explain to me why I should alpha test this thing???
  6. Jon J

    Jon J Curmudgeon TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Music City USA
    Power user.
  7. stephenC

    stephenC New Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    One day, maybe in the year 2007 DirecTV will begin sending down from the heavens channels covering the nation of the USA that are encoded in MPEG4. If those channels are ones that we actually want to record or set a Season Pass, we will be screwed with our HR10 units. You know it, I know it, DirecTV knows it. :(
  8. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

    Dec 15, 2003
    Because after reading about it and it's current state, you went through tremendous lengths to get it. That alone would make me think that you wanted to. :)

    I don't blame you for doing what you're doing, but you did go through a lot to get the HR20.
  9. bigpuma

    bigpuma Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2003
    Morgan Hill, CA
    But you won't be screwed because you will be able to upgrade to the superior HR20. :D
  10. dishrich

    dishrich Well-Known Member

    Jan 16, 2002
    Springfield, IL
    Yes, but if all you care about is your off-air HD locals, you'll be fine for quite some time, as well as STILL being able to record SD stuff. (& at least you can say you can store a lot of SD on an HD Tivo)

    And regarding the HR20 (lack of) being able to record off-air HD - D* keeps saying "it'll be enabled in the future". Well, X-mas is coming in about a month - so WHAT? Until the damm thing IS actually up & WORKING, it doesn't exist - period! And since D* does NOT offer our locals in MPEG4, the HR20 is totally USELESS for recording HD network prog in our area. :rolleyes: :eek:
  11. dscott72

    dscott72 New Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    Newnan, GA
    They will have to really impress me to care. And if they do, I will think about getting a standalone HR20 and not worry so much about recording in HD. I like the HR10 mostly for the storage space. At least for right now since I work for the local cable company I get free HD from them and one of their POS DVR's. But sadly I think unless a small miracle happens I will eventually have to...gulp...get one of the HR20-700's.

    Off topic sort of...I know for the HR10-250 in order to get HD signals I have to have an antenna. Is this the same for the HR20-700 or will they actually get the HD programming off the satelite?
  12. Avenger

    Avenger Also Banned

    Mar 26, 2002
    Hear, hear! Why DirecTV thinks I'd be interested in shelling out money for a product that objectively has an inferior feature set to the box I already have is a mystery to me, but evidently, the rocket-scientists there have decided that they expect me to do just that.

    I record nearly all my hi-def programming OTA. It's nearly impervious to bad weather. It looks great - uncompressed. And I still have the SD locals over the dish in case I need them as a backup - or I am recording and archiving large numbers of serials (soap operas) for my wife -- and don't want to chew through hard drive space unnecessarily. I have the absolute best of all worlds now. I'm simply not interested in a machine that can't record HD OTA. Maybe I would have thought differently when my only DVR experience was with the T60. But now, with two HR10's and two hi-def TV's, I can't imagine surrendering the ability to record digital TV OTA. That's a deal-breaker for me.
  13. dishrich

    dishrich Well-Known Member

    Jan 16, 2002
    Springfield, IL
    As I just mentioned, until D* enables the off-air tuner in it, you ain't getting ANYTHING off an antenna.

    Depends on IF your market is carried by D* - it also does NOT mean that D* WILL necessarily carry EVERY one of your locals in HD as well. (look at all the markets they have NOW that don't even have all of the big 4 in HD :rolleyes: ;) )
    As someone will probably mention, this is supposed to be fixed when D* gets the other MPEG4 birds launched - but again, until your locals ARE actually launched, don't assume they WILL be.
  14. stephenC

    stephenC New Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Agreed. But, I'm thinking that D* will convert HDNet and HDNet Movies to MPEG4 running at 1920x1080i full bandwidth as soon as the sats are ready next year. Will I trade my HR10 for a HR20? In a heartbeat. :(
  15. gquiring

    gquiring New Member

    Dec 13, 2002
    Matawan, NJ
    This post is more interesting than the dozens of repeated audio dropout thread posts since 6.3. I am glad to see that the new DVR is doing well. Let's face it, we will be all moving in that direction in another year. D* is done with Tivo.

    Having used other DVR's I must admit I never understood some of these Tivo fans. From my view Tivo is good stuff but not that great.
  16. Markman07

    Markman07 Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jul 18, 2001
    With Turd Bird / Myspace Murdoch looking to sell and soon I can't say for sure which direction Directv is going! Would Directv stick with the product Murdoch owns? It could get very intersting in the next few years. Things turned pretty fast when he took over and who is to say things won't turn again just as fast when he sells?
  17. sluciani

    sluciani TiVowner Since '99

    Apr 21, 2003
    Most of us who post here are probably technically advanced enough to quickly grasp and master a new DVR user interface, even it's not quite as intuitive or user friendly as the Tivo's UI. Retraining less technical spouses and children is the problem, at least in my household.

    That being said, a couple of my high tech friends who just bought HD displays and migrated from HDVR2s to HR20's literally despise the HR20 UI. They are very upset that they can't get D* to send them HR10's instead.

  18. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

    Nov 18, 2000

    From what I've read, it is far from "doing well," while D* is constantly sending new downloads to try and get rid of all the bugs. There are problems with basic functions, ie., missed and partial recordings.

    It may be a while before the thing is ready for primetime.
  19. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

    Dec 15, 2003
    From what I've *experienced*, it's further along than the HR10-250 at introduction and does not miss recordings. I was skeptical and kept my HR10 as a backup for 2 months before selling. Some are experiencing what you have read, I can't discount that, but it is far from universal.

    I don't think we should argue this here, but my personal experience differs from what you have read about other peoples experiences.

    As a frame of reference, I bought my first 14 hour TiVo in Nov of 1999 and have had every permutation of Tivo since.
  20. merlin803

    merlin803 New Member

    Dec 11, 2005
    <Flame suit on> I have to agree, I was skeptical of the HR20 and expecting the worse and I have kept my DTivo just in case but after over a week with the HR20, I have not had any problems (except for the occasional audio hiccup on HD locals).

    Now, I will keep my HTivo connected and use both for at least a few weeks just in case but so far, so good and I have found myself starting to use the HR20 as my primary receiver.

    P.S. I have always loved the Dtivo and the only problem I have ever had with it is the 6.2 audio drop outs - which is what prompted me to even inquire about getting the HR20 and almost drove me away from D* completely. <Flame suit off>.

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