HR10-250 and MPEG4; Upgrade Offer

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by ebonovic, Aug 3, 2007.

  1. Nov 8, 2007 #941 of 1693
    bonscott87

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    Correct. The networks take their signal and compress it using MPEG2 and broadcast it out at (we hope with no subchannels) at 18 or 19 Mbps, the max available to an OTA channel. That's as good as it gets. Of course if they have a 3 meg subchannel and a 1 meg weather radar we're down to 14 meg or so which is why OTA quality is all over the place.

    But in any case it's still better then DirecTV's MPEG2 HD which is even further compressed and/or "bit starved" as they like to say. That's why they don't look as good. The famous "HD Lite" if you will.

    MPEG4 is simply another compression scheme which allows smaller file sizes (and less bandwidth) then MPEG2. There isn't really anything "better" about MPEG4, just that DirecTV can give it full bandwidth. If they had the room they could give their MPEG2 HD full bandwidth as well and it's PQ would be awesome as well.
     
  2. Nov 9, 2007 #942 of 1693
    tucsonbill

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    Okay. Uncle. But you missed my point. Pixels only exist in the digital domain. It makes no sense to talk about compressing an analog domain signal by converting it to digital domain. Then again, there's the whole issue of what in this context compression means? Smaller file size for a given amount of information? Not necessarily a bad thing. But clearly not what you and Scott are talking about. Could be that "bit starving" thing that "they like to call it". It IS a bandwidth issue, and if you're bandwidth limited then a good compression algorithm ain't a bad thing, but if you're not starting with a digital domain signal, compression has no real meaning. It's simply a conversion.
     
  3. Nov 9, 2007 #943 of 1693
    milominderbinder

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    Now that's funny!

    No, I do not work or consult for DIRECTV or TiVo or anyone else in satellite or HDTV. I pay the same monthly bill as anyone else. Neither has ever paid me a dime for anything, not even given me a t-shirt. I have never been to any meeting that even remotely included either company. I do not even own their stocks except through mutual funds. I have a little business in Illinois that could not be more removed from satellite or HDTV.

    Ronald, I bet you could say all the same things for yourself (except the Illinois part).

    Back in April through September, when everyone was getting HD DVR's for $19.95, I did too. I compiled notes from this forum of what worked and what didn't and posted them for everyone else:

    HD DVR (HR20) Ordering Tips.

    People often did not know what to do to get a great price and a great installation. They were not understanding how their contracts worked. So all of that is carefully documented.

    Since 9-26, the free deals are rare but some, especially HR10 owners are still doing pretty good. One other huge factor that I have not seen mentioned is market. In particular, if you need a second dish for 72.5 locals, they have less than a year to get you over to MPEG4. The 72.5 satellite lease is ending.

    So if you live in one of these 28 markets, today is your lucky day:

    Augusta, GA
    Boise, ID
    Burlington, VT-Plattsburgh, NY
    Cedar Rapids-Waterloo, IA
    Champaign-Springfield-Decatur, IL
    Charleston, SC
    Chattanooga, TN
    Columbia-Jefferson City, MO
    Davenport, IA-Rock Island-Moline, IL
    Evansville, IN
    Ft. Smith-Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AR
    Ft. Wayne, IN
    Greenville-New Bern-Washington, NC
    Johnstown-Altoona, PA
    La Crosse-Eu Claire, WI
    Lincoln & Hastings-Kearney, NE
    Macon, GA
    Myrtle Beach-Florence, SC
    Peoria-Bloomington, IL
    Rockford, IL
    Sioux Falls, SD
    Springfield, MO
    Syracuse, NY
    Traverse City-Cadillac, MI
    Tri-Cities, TN-VA
    Waco-Temple-Bryan, TX
    Wausau-Rhinelander, WI
    Youngstown, OH

    And full, uncompressed HDTV would require 671 GB per hour. (1080 x 1920 x 30 x 24/8 x 60 x 60).

    We now return you to your regular programming...

    - Craig
     
  4. Nov 9, 2007 #944 of 1693
    Rgonyer

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    Why is today our lucky day?
     
  5. Nov 9, 2007 #945 of 1693
    milominderbinder

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    If you need a second dish for 72.5 locals, they have less than a year to get you over to MPEG4. The 72.5 satellite lease is ending.

    They have to do whatever it takes to get everyone in these markets over to MPEG4. We are seeing post after post of people getting being called by DIRECTV in these markets with an offer for free HD DVRs if they will switch. Just by asking some are also getting programming credits etc.

    - Craig
     
  6. Nov 9, 2007 #946 of 1693
    milominderbinder

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    Wikipedia correctly explains that picture element (pixel) was first applied to analog displays long before there were digital displays:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel

    Pixels do existing in the analog domain. Look closely at your old SDTV to see.

    - Craig
     
  7. Nov 9, 2007 #947 of 1693
    RS4

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    Hey Milo - thanks for all of the info - as usual ;) We realize this is a new month, so we assume you have more quota to make before the commissions come in. :p It's ok, bud - your Tivo friends will help you make the house payments :D
     
  8. Nov 9, 2007 #948 of 1693
    Monkeybiz

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    I'm very disapointed in Directv for bringing a REFURBISHED HR20-700. I only paid $19 but still let them know I agreed to a 2yr commitment for a new machine. It's already acting up so I'm going to ask for an hr21 if possible.
     
  9. Nov 9, 2007 #949 of 1693
    incog-neato

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    Would you have preferred they charge you $299 and brought you a new one? My guess is they were replacing an out of warranty owned receiver of some sort at no charge which they didn't have to do. You didn't agree to a 2yr for a new receiver, you agreed to it in lieu of charging you anything for the replacement/upgrade.
     
  10. Nov 9, 2007 #950 of 1693
    gobble

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    I mentioned earlier that I cancelled my subscription after unsuccessfully requesting an upgrade for my 2 HR10's earlier this week. I called back yesterday and was offered 1 free HR20 and 1 year of free HD programming to "come back". They gave me the phone number of the install company to call and make sure they had the HR20 and not HR21. I called and they have not seen an HR20 in a month.

    Now the big question, has anyone ever been successful at getting Directv to credit your account for $299 if you buy an HR20 at Best Buy? How do I get the HR20 out of this?
     
  11. Nov 9, 2007 #951 of 1693
    jimb726

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    Certainly that might be your best bet. Call them before hand and explain the situation and that you want to buy a specific model from a mass retailer, Costco or Best Buy, etc, and see if they will reimburse you. Just make sure that, assuming the answer is yes that you get the name of the CSR who told you that, and try to verify that it was noted in on your account. I assume that the reason you want the HR20 is for the OTA capabilites? Just so you know, there has been talk that there will be an OTA option for the HR21 users, perhaps a USB add on. No official confirmation on that though.
     
  12. Nov 9, 2007 #952 of 1693
    jimb726

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    It really doesnt matter does it? Its a lease, so what difference does it make whether it is new or refurbed? As long as it works, it doesnt matter.
     
  13. Nov 9, 2007 #953 of 1693
    Monkeybiz

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    I mentioned it was already acting up the very next day. This morning I turn it on and I get a totally phychedelic picture, really groovy but not acceptable. Had to reboot. Also the damn thing is cooking my Xbox360 with the excessive heat it emits creating game freezing for the first time but that could be a fluke. Spoiled by my faster HR10 switching channels. And losing the dual buffers is torture. Guess I can adjust but it was my favorite thing.

    I could rant on about the installers also not bringing the dish and both were really unprofessional looking.
     
  14. Nov 9, 2007 #954 of 1693
    kmramos

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    OK, I'm getting very close to calling to get an HR20, but now I'm hearing that folks are getting the HR21, with no OTA capability.

    Has anyone in the SF Bay Area successfully gotten an HR20 recently? I do not want to lose my ability to record OTA. The HR21 is unacceptable to me.

    Alternatively, does anyone know the installer that DirecTV uses for SF so I can call them?
     
  15. Nov 9, 2007 #955 of 1693
    tucsonbill

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    Uh, I think you may not understand that the concept of pixels has nothing to do with display technology.
    Yeah, right, other than the fact that SDTV is a digital standard, not analog - so do you mean NTSC? Defined in the ATSC standards as CDTV (Conventional Definition)? Or do you simply mean my CRT based TV. (In which case see above.) Also you may have missed the part of the linked article where it says that "Phosphor dots in a color CRT display bear no relation to pixels or subpixels". OTOH, I do owe Doug an apology, since he had a legitimate point, which I ignored when I accused him of missing MY point. I understand why he said what he said, and if I accept his definition of "compression" I don't disagree with him. I do disagree with you because you don't understand what you're talking about.
     
  16. Nov 9, 2007 #956 of 1693
    incog-neato

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    Don't be upset with Milibinderminder, he's only in the D* sales department not in their tech support. :p
     
  17. Nov 10, 2007 #957 of 1693
    nuke

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    Yes, I got them to agree to a $200 credit (or they would send a HD DVR for free) for going to Costco and picking up the HR20 that I specifcally wanted. I get good OTA reception here and there's plenty of OTA HD content and a good part of it is not on DTV. I get two PBS stations in HD. KQED has a lot of very good HD programming and they're not on the sats.

    It was a goofy process. First call was nothing but "no, no, no, no." Next day, called back and they were more than happy to upgrade my HR10.

    The new dish is being put in on monday morning. The box is on the floor by the TV stand.
     
  18. Nov 10, 2007 #958 of 1693
    Jim Abbett

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    Just as I expected. The installer called and was going to bring an HR21. I cancelled the whole deal. :(
     
  19. Nov 10, 2007 #959 of 1693
    Jim Abbett

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    Now, to top it off, they didn't adjust my bill. I called them to ask them to remove the $46 difference between my normal bill amount and the amount with the upgrade.

    After getting past the first numb minded dope of a rep and getting transfered to another rep. she reluctantly removed the $19.95 shipping fee. However, there was still the difference of the $199 upgrade fee and the $175 credit. She said since that it was the deal I agreed to, she couldn't remove the $24 difference. She also said "We have a large warehouse. Which ever unit get's pulled off the shelf, that's the model you get."

    I'm $24 in the hole because they can't confirm in advance, what model of receiver they will send?? What BS!

    It seems you can only get something done at DTV by emailing them and getting a pin number so I sent them a scathing email regarding the situation. We'll see what happens.

    Thanks for all the information passed along on the forum. It really helps in dealing with these jokers.
     
  20. Nov 10, 2007 #960 of 1693
    kmramos

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    Thank, nuke. I'll try that tactic. I certainly don't mind picking one up myself just to be sure I get the HR20. Like you, I get great OTA HD and have no interest in giving that up, even though the reports of PQ of the HD locals are good. No KQED or CW is not acceptable to me.

    This whole process with the bargaining and the repeated calling is insane. I've had the "premium" or "platinum" or whatever they call the whole enchilada package for about 10 years. I hope I have enough "hearts" to warrant a good deal. :rolleyes:
     

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