HR10-250 and MPEG4; Upgrade Offer

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by ebonovic, Aug 3, 2007.

  1. Aug 4, 2007 #21 of 1693
    deezel629

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    I got the upgrade for $19.99 (S&H fee), but I also got HBO and Startz free for 6 months each.

    Now if only I could get them to remove the $99 upgrade fee that they mistakenly put on my bill.
     
  2. Aug 4, 2007 #22 of 1693
    ebonovic

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    No it is not...
    They actually don't "replace" your HR10... they are just offering it to you at a lower rate... you can keep your HR10
     
  3. Aug 4, 2007 #23 of 1693
    Cudahy

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    Cudahy,...
    We've all known for a long time that we could only get mpeg4 channels with Tivo when(if)a new HDTivo box came out. There is increasing hope of an improving relationship between Directv and Tivo that might make this possible. Why are so many HR20 supporters trying to make us switch now?
     
  4. Aug 4, 2007 #24 of 1693
    ebonovic

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    #1) We are not trying to make you switch... we honestly (well at least me, as that is all I can speak for) don't care if you switch or not.

    #2) If you want the new HD channels... you have to switch.. .at least to a non-DVR H20, or the DVR HR20... it is as simple as that... No software update, can fix the limiations in the HR10-250 in that regard.

    #3) If you all have been watching the announcements, and articles... you will also see that TiVo themselves have said:
    http://ibc.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=164772

    That article was July 23rd...

    So either they changed their mind about that 7 days later...
    The updates to the DTiVos are already done, and are just going through testing..

    Or there really isn't anything "different" about what we have known for a long time now...

    So unless some radically shift changes at TiVo, Inc... umm... it could be a VERY long wait for there to be a MPEG-4 compatible HD-DTiVo

    If you don't want the new HD, or eventually any SAT based HD... don't switch..
    You are not forced to switch, your HR10-250 will still continue to work with OTA and SD
     
  5. Aug 4, 2007 #25 of 1693
    mbarloewen

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    Is there a magic number to call?

    I'm 0-3 in dealing with csrs today on this issue...
     
  6. Aug 4, 2007 #26 of 1693
    ebonovic

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    Try again tomorrow or Monday, when a different crew is in.
     
  7. Aug 4, 2007 #27 of 1693
    jfh3

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    You of all people should know better - TiVo isn't doing development on a sat platform because they don't want that market - they aren't doing development on a sat platform because neither E* or D* want them to.

    If DirecTV bought a clue and realized what a new Tivo HD would bring to the table, especially if the E* suit is finalized in Tivo's favor, Tivo would have a new HDTivo box in about 3 months ... :)
     
  8. Aug 4, 2007 #28 of 1693
    mbarloewen

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    Doing the old retention route worked for me in the end.

    Everything free, but had to pay $19.99 shipping and handling.

    Excited...
     
  9. Aug 4, 2007 #29 of 1693
    bigpuma

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    His point was that there is nothing in development now which means if DirecTV or DISH decided they did want a TiVo based DVR it would take a long time to put it out. Look at how long it is taking to put out the Comcast TiVo. I remember hearing that it might be out by August or September of last year. There is no way they could put it out in 3 months we would be lucky to get it in 2 years.
     
  10. Aug 4, 2007 #30 of 1693
    newsposter

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    great, i may get hr20 and it be obsolete :)
     
  11. Aug 4, 2007 #31 of 1693
    RS4

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    We really have no idea whether its 3 months or 2 years. My guess is that it would be closer to a year. Tivo already as 3 HD boxes they've made. It would appear the only thing they need to add is the new mpeg4 signaling.

    As I've said before, I think we'll have a better idea shortly after the beginning of the year. The folks looking for the fall mpeg4 shows will be on board by then, so DirecTV will have a pretty good count of how many Tivo only users are left.

    That was an interesting article that Earl linked to. However, we have statements from DirecTV saying they are adding new support to the existing boxes and that they are exploring other alternatives. So, those statements would seem to counter what Earl found. Who knows, they may be in the initial stages and have signed NDA?

    I think there is hope for us Tivo users until shortly after the new year starts, assuming that the new owners have taken over by then. If they are going to consider a Tivo alternative, you can bet that decision will be high on the list.
     
  12. Aug 4, 2007 #32 of 1693
    HiDefGator

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    It would take three months of mgmt arguing before engineers were ever allowed to start looking at the problem. Haven't you guys ever read Dilbert?
     
  13. Aug 4, 2007 #33 of 1693
    TyroneShoes

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    Pure CEO spin. "Nothing in development" is code for "nothing authorized in development regarding any speculative testing at DTV based on an agreement with Tivo". He's fronting spin to jockey for position, which is rarely based in reality.

    If Tivo is smart (and the answer to that is pretty obvious), they've already done that testing themselves. Making something like a M4-capable DTivo happen is very little about getting the software/hardware up to speed, and everything about hammering out the deal, which is what delayed Tivo/CumCast. Tivo and its software are both modular, and developing a M4-capable prototype is easy and cheap for them to do. Child's play, probably. The only thing signiificantly different is the decoder chip.

    Tivo very likely could ask for a meeting and show up with a fully-working one-off prototype that they could demo to Malone right in his office, if he hasn't got one in his living room already. All Tivo needs for a prototype is a HR10 with a few lines of code tweaked and the DVB tuners removed and replaced by off-the-shelf DVB tuner modules that are MPEG-4 capable, which could even be the very same module inside a HR20. That's relatively easy.

    If both sides like the idea, they begin to hammer out a deal. THAT is when the waiting begins.
     
  14. Aug 5, 2007 #34 of 1693
    charlieg

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    I emailed them last week and got a message to call back retention with a pin. I currently have one HR10-250, one HD Samsung and two SD receivers. I was looking for two HR20 DVR's and two HD receivers. In the end, I was able to get one HR20 and one HD receiver for only a shipping charge (includes new dish installation). The second HD receiver cost me $99. She said something like only being eligible for one HR20 "deal" every six months. I don't think it was the best deal around but it's not the worst either. Installation is set for the 18th. I'll move the HR10-250 to a bedroom for now.
     
  15. Aug 5, 2007 #35 of 1693
    BBREAL

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    I'll keep it brief. I read the forum this morning before calling to get some ideas. Upgraded to new MPEG 4 DVR for 19.95 + tax including installation and new 5 LNB dish. Keeping my HR10-250 and putting old std Tivo DVR in the closet. No 2 yr commit.

    Monthly bill stays the same but I did get $10/mo for 12/mo for all the hassle. Had to wait a long time on the phone for a supervisor - Laura - but then it went smooth. First person who answered seemed to be reading a script and wanted $199 + 2 yr commit.

    Good luck all.

    Brian
     
  16. Aug 5, 2007 #36 of 1693
    RS4

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    Brian, how did you get out of the commitment?
     
  17. Aug 5, 2007 #37 of 1693
    BBREAL

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    not sure exactly, but Laura said since she overrided the 99.995 price which was within per authority, down from previous $199.95, the commitment requirement disappeared. I would have excepted 1 yr, but not two which is what I was prepared to say.
     
  18. Aug 5, 2007 #38 of 1693
    RS4

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    Just out of curiosity I called to see what they would offer. I finally got to retention and the lady there really played dumb. She finally came back with a 19.95 offer but wouldn't budge on the 2-yr commitment.
     
  19. Aug 5, 2007 #39 of 1693
    Jebberwocky!

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    the two year comittment doesn't bother me - I'd gladly pay the penalty if something out better appealed to me.

    This presumes I get the new stuff for free. I paid $700 for my first HDTivo, $300 for my second and my third one was IIRC $100/lease.

    So faced with paying $$ up front or at the back end I'd rather pay in the end if applicable.
     
  20. Aug 5, 2007 #40 of 1693
    94SupraTT

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    Now only if they would eliminate the 2 year commitment, or reduce it to 1 year.
     

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