HR-10 vs. HR-20 Again

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by boneskrw, Dec 1, 2007.

  1. robnalex

    robnalex Member

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    The HR20 has an eSATA port. All you have to do is plug one in.
     
  2. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    No need to put a larger hard drive IN it. You can get a eSATA hard drive enclosure, put the largerst drive you want in it and then connect it to the back of the HR20/21. This will replace the one inside for as long as it is connected. This forum has more info about eSATA drives.
    http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=112
     
  3. appletj

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    I think I can shed a little light on the bitterness of some HR10 owners. I purchased my HR10-250 for $949.00 plus shipping when the unit was first introduced. The retail price at the time was $999.00 At the time I thought was a pretty good deal. Now that the box is obsolete and D* is going to start removing MPEG2 HD channels come January I will have paid about $25 a month ON TOP of the monthly D* charges over the 3 & 1/2 YEARS I've had the box. Yeah, you bet your ass I'm a just a little disgruntled.
     
  4. boneskrw

    boneskrw boneskrw

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    Why were you paying $25 extra for the HR10? Cost should be $5.00 per month for DVR plus $10.00 for HD service.
     
  5. adlerx

    adlerx New Member

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    I am brand new to HD, just got my new TV couple of weeks ago. I am also a die hard Tivo lover. Only had my HR21 for a few days but it's not so bad. Remote is easy enough, menus are a little more cumbersome but no biggie. The HUGE issue for me is the double buffer but that's because of the way I watch TV. Figured a way around the problem though, got a HR10-250 to go along with the hr21 both on the same TV with a HDMI switch so I can toggle between the two seamlessly. Really, there are so few channels in HD that I even watch, I won't have a problem at all once I get it all hooked up and sorted out....

    Now what's this about all the added features everyone is talking about? I know about the new channels but am unaware of any advanced features...
     
  6. adlerx

    adlerx New Member

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    pretty sure he is referring to cost of the Hr 10-250.... That's in addition to the $5 for DVR and $10 for HD
    DUH....
     
  7. Mark Lopez

    Mark Lopez Just click ignore

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    I also bought 2 HR10s at full price when they first came out. But that was like 3 years ago. So I'm not a bit upset. My two $3K HD TVs can now be had for less than half what I paid too. Seeing how the HR20 can be gotten for practically nothing, I just don't see what the big deal is. <shrug>
     
  8. tfederov

    tfederov M GO BLUE!!!

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    Check out www.dbstalk.com and go to the HR20/21 section. You can put your HR2x on the network and stream music and photos to your DVR from your PC. Also, the HR20 (soon to be HR21) also has DIRECTV on Demand which uses your network connection to download shows straight to your DVR. Lots of good info over there. Hope to see you soon!
     
  9. bigpuma

    bigpuma Well-Known Member

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    If you paid full price for the HR10 DirecTV should* upgrade you free of charge. Yes it would be leased but there isn't much you can do with it outside of DirecTV anyway. I paid $850 for my HR10 when I bought it and DirecTV gave me a free upgrade back in October of 2006 and they are installing a second HR20 tomorrow free of charge. That sounds pretty fair to me.


    *If they don't offer a free upgrade than I would agree you have a legitimate gripe.
     
  10. rcawood

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    My single favorite TIVO feature is the auto rewind after I hit play coming out of commercials. This feature is great for me (I don&#8217;t use 30 sec skip) and consistently puts me right at the beginning of the program.

    When I inquired about this feature back in September 2006 on DBSTalk the &#8220;work-around&#8221; responses indicated that you could hit the &#8220;jump back&#8221; button on the HR-20 but that it was not consistent as to how far back it took you and generally was not effective in the same way as the TIVO&#8217;s automatic feature. What is the current status of the HR-20 for this feature? For people that were heavy users of the TIVO auto rewind feature (like me), how has the HR-20 worked out for you?
     
  11. Tivo_60

    Tivo_60 NY State of Mind

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    Maybe this has been answered before, but can you record OTA HD on the HR20 as you can on the HR10 ?
     
  12. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    On an HR20.. Yes
    On an HR21.. No
     
  13. badmonkey

    badmonkey New Member

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    People have mixed reviews regarding the implementation of FF compensation in the HR2x series. I personally find that it works quite well, but I have been using the 30 second slip feature more heavily recently.

    I have also noticed that the FF compensation is slightly different on MPEG4 channels than it is on MPEG 2 channels but, again, I find that it works well on both.
     
  14. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    That is because the compensation, ends on the nearest I-Frame in the compressed video. On MPEG-2 there are typicall more I-Frames, then on MPEG-4... so the adjustment varies slight between the two compression types
     
  15. DDayDawg

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    Back when the HR20 first started taking over I was one of the TiVo diehards that was very opposed to this unit. I refused to even consider a DirecTV unit until the new HD showed up and my love of HD programming beat out my stubborn insistence.

    So, I have both my HR10-250 and my HR20 sitting in the same cabinet hooked to the TV. At first I watched the 10-250 and only switched over to see the new HD channels. But, as time has passed I have noticed I default to using the HR20. Part of this was because of the re-boots but with that fixed I still stay with the new box.

    The worst things about the HR20 are the "no dual buffers" and not having a wishlist. On the plus side it works well and the picture looks much better. I would say go for it. The new programming trumps all the negatives.
     
  16. Robert Spalding

    Robert Spalding TiVo Special Member

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    can I subscribe to the Family pack at $40 a month and then get some HD pack add on for $10 for the 75 channels?
     
  17. bigpuma

    bigpuma Well-Known Member

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    The $10/month HD access fee entitles you to any HD channel in the package you subscribe to. So if you had the Family pack plus paid the $10 HD access fee you would only get the HD versions of channels in the Family pack.
     
  18. Hookd

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    I can!!!!

    First off, I have had a tivo series 1, 2, HR 10. And, I've just gotten HR21 and DirecTv installed the new dish.

    I don't know what is going on and I am going to call DTV today. But, the shows jitter frequently. During a movie on Showtime HD yesterday, a screen saver came on. The audio gets out of sync on occassion then goes back. CNBCHD has absolutely no audio level or it fades in and out.

    The setup just sucks. It isn't as easy to use as a Tivo. I hate the you could be flipping between two channels and the DVR doesn't keep them both in memory to rewind them. I don't like how you have to access the things you record. I have a flipping 50in TV. I don't need it little and in the left corner. When I am watching something.. where's my flipping live button. Okay.. I know I can get to it with a list but I hate hitting stop or exit. And, why isn't it easier to get to delete a show.

    I am just saying, and I admit that I haven't really had time to play with it really, but I like a Tivo better. And, once FIOS TV is in my area, I don't know if I am going to stay with DTV anymore. It used to be the cheapest way to go but I am not happy with the added sneaky charges.

    Also, DTV constantly keeps adding a DVR charge to my bill even though I paid for a lifetime service with him.
     
  19. kanderna

    kanderna New Member

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    I have two HR20s in use (on little-used TVs), and one in waiting. Still have one of my HR10s hooked up to the main TV. Main reason for this? You guessed it... DLB. After Bowl season I will reluctantly migrate to the HR20. Now don't get me wrong, the HR20 is a perfectly capable machine... the 90 minute buffer, the fact that it keeps the buffer even when the machine is off, and a bunch of other features.... but lack of DLB just kills me. That's just how I watch TV.
     
  20. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    Press the Red button to delete a show while viewing the list. Exit is pretty much the same as LiveTV for TiVo.

    I think you need to live with it for more than a few days before comparing.
     

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