How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by 056557, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. magnus

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    I will concede that fact but it's better than just throwing these boxes in the trash.

    Personally, I think they could leverage these old boxes to offer something comparable to the TR-50... well almost anyway.

    Free service (1 per household), OTA only w/ a limit to the number of season passes. The service could be paid for entirely by add sponsorship (in other words... more ads for these types of boxes).

    Tivo would be environmentally friendly by offering an outlet for these boxes to be used... instead of them going to the dump.


     
  2. magnus

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    I have 2 boxes that are set to satellite w/ set top box but I use OTA. How does that show up on the report?

     
  3. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Sure...IF your lifetime was activated prior to 10/31/03. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    It doesn't matter, the lifetime transfer deal sucks anyways. I got soaked 3x on it and if I could get a 'do over' I would have just paid the old MSD rate. $600 ($200 transfer free x3) not to mention the premium I paid as a 'VIP' for my first S3 buys a whole lot of $6.95/mo (dang near 30 years worth!).

    For $100 more just buy lifetime again and be done with it now that MSD costs more.

    In my case my 3x Lifetimed S2s are now worth less than the hard drives inside them since the lifetimes was transferred to my S3s. I probably could have got my original lifetime purchase back had I chosen to sell them instead of doing the transfer offer.
     
  5. wmcbrine

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    $600 / $6.95 a month is only a little over seven years.
     
  6. bicker

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    No, there have been previous lifetime transfer options that didn't have that restriction. We've had our chance.
     
  7. bicker

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    You can make your own choice whether or not to take the deal, but the deal being offered does matter. They've placed a cost on being able to transfer your lifetime service, and so with regard to the issue being discussed, that was the avenue for pursuing keeping the lifetime subscription alive. I think the issue is that folks underestimate what the company figures is the cost to them of the lifetime subscription. That's not unusual, that customers and suppliers differ about what something is worth.
     
  8. ZeoTiVo

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    do you have the full channel list selected or have you narrowed it down to just the locals?

    Plus your solution will work past the shutdown of analog so you are likely to continue using that solution until some other factor causes you to change.
     
  9. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    yes sorry. I was tired last night and units bit me. months vs years. It's just shy of 29 months for all three at $6.95/ea.
     
  10. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    Agreed, and at the time it didn't sound like a bad deal. A year later I felt like I'd been had, especially when Lifetime was re-offered for only $100 more than the transfer fee.

    You can't predict the future and you never know what Tivo is going to offer so you have to decide 'in the moment'.
     
  11. BobCamp1

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    I'm confused. Do you mean you had D*+OTA, but only have OTA now, and never bothered to rerun guided setup? Or, like me, do you use DirecTV but get network channels OTA?

    These magical numbers everyone is talking about are just for people who are OTA only. People with OTA/box combinations obviously have other means of access to locals. And how would Tivo control two boxes at the same time?

    I think Tivo is just waiting to see if they will get lucky. Maybe one of the ATSC tuner boxes will happen to work with a Tivo as-is. I don't know if this is even possible since Tivo doesn't know the "-" stations. But most people don't record the substations anyway (unless it's PBS).

    Plus, hackers know the Tivo box better than Tivo does at this point. It wouldn't surprise me if someone came up with a hack for this.
     
  12. Puppy76

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    Rather than insult me, you're going to need to come up with actual reasons what I'm saying isn't true. At least speculate.

    What we're talking about here is laughably easy. If Tivo doesn't do it, it's not for any good technical reason, nor because it would cost them much to implement it. They're ALREADY implementing the same type of thing for other television sources.
     
  13. rainbow

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    Do they have a new deal now? I did not qualify for the one they had last year as my series 2 was activated Oct, 2004. The deal they had last year was for $199 transfer but the S2 had to have been activated by Oct,2003.

    I recently purchased an S3 and paid $399 for life time for that one. So now i have 2 lifetimes - 1 S2 and 1 S3.

    If they did offer a deal as good as that one last year, I would transfer my S2 lifetime to an S3.

    I would probably give my old S2 to my sister - she definitely would be doing OTA - no cable, etc is in the cards for her. I would hope and expect that the S2 tivo would work with OTA, attached to one of those converter boxes.
     
  14. Puppy76

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    They had a transfer deal last...maybe April-ish? As far as I know it had no restrictions as to when you had to have owned your S2. There's nothing like that now though.
     
  15. MighTiVo

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    Look at it financially, logistically, environmentally, any way you want but it makes no sense at all to discard a perfectly good S2, purchase a new HD for several hundred dollars and pay what amounts to nearly or the same amount as the original lifetime subscription to transfer it to a new box and then hook up that shiny new HD tivo to a SD TV.
    Even if you don't have a Lifetime, assuming you are out of your minimal agreement on the existing monthly service, the HD upgrade will still cost at least $300 to get the TiVo!

    The alternative of buying a external tuner for under $100 (or getting a subsidized box from Uncle Sam with the taxes you already paid) makes perfect sense. Sure TiVo needs to do some development which will cost them money and sure they could make more money selling new HD boxes by forcing the old boxes to lose support. But that is just a bad choice anyway you look at it.

    TiVo knows how to do this, TiVo can do this, they probably already have... This really isn't a big deal, TiVo has been working with external tuners for digital cable and digital satellite since day one. TiVo just needs to step up and take care of its customers that need to use an external tuner for digital broadcast.
     
  16. MighTiVo

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    That report would not necessarily be accurate.
    For example all my TiVo's have digital satellite enabled so I can switch to an external source such as a DVD player, video game, or switch to an modulated channel from another room.

    Regardless I believe TiVo would get a better idea of demand for this need by requests rather than passively looking at set top configurations.
     
  17. MighTiVo

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    Under $200, sounds great, feel free to post links to those deals.
    Still that doesn't help with a DVR so whats the point in this discussion?

    The comparison here is under $100 for a external tuner vs paying $300 for a new HD TiVo plus subscription transfer fee of $200 if available. Multiply that times a couple TVs and you are talking real money! Then take into account that the TiVo with DVD is not even available with a ATSC tuner so you have even more problems...
     
  18. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I imagine you have all the channels but maybe 1 or 2 deselected then.


    also what about the people who are not doing anything or thinking about it. We have requests in this forum from what? 100 people? If TiVo went by such a number of requests it would be a "don't even waste time in meetings bringing it up" issue to them
     
  19. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    why is not spending the money on supporting digital tuners on S2 (assuming low use for such) and doing what TiVo can to get people to upgrade to the more recent TiVo a bad choice for TiVo?
    TiVo of course looks at this financially, with the only inexact part being "put dollar signs on customers affected by the transition using S2.
     
  20. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    No one needs to guess about the cost of the digital tuner STBs, Walmart has them for $50 and many other resellers have them for $60 - so the net cost for consumers with government coupons will be in the $10-20 range. Pretty cheap for anyone needing to use digital OTA with an analog TV/VCR/DVR/DVD burner.

    Thanks,
     

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