How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

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  1. cia_viewer

    cia_viewer New Member

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    Has anyone used a TiVo S2 recording 'manually' OTA on a long term basis?
    (TiVo support contract expired)

    I have done this a few times. Selecting Channel, then Time ...

    It is already set up with a Digital converter box.
     
  2. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't think that worked? I mean I don't think you can use it like that. If you can, then...well it should work if it still lets you record.

    I've always had lifetime though so I've never tried...I don't think S2 or S3 works without service though (except the handful of units that had that Tivo Basic or whatever it was called).
     
  3. cia_viewer

    cia_viewer New Member

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    My limited experience with this was a few years ago when this was our only TiVo and there was a period when newer software could not fit on the HD. Until they resolved that, I was recording manually. We did have 'lifetime' on this TiVo until I bought a new HD Tivo and transferred it over. Our's have always been OTA. During this 'overlap' year we have transferred programs back and forth through our LAN.
     
  4. twey

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    Here is an odd hack I just did:

    The RCA DTV converter box (DTA809) actually has a S-Video connector designed in but not populated. The S-video connector and the Y/C circuit EMI filter components are missing and I/O panel is blocked. However, just installing the components does not give the S-Video Y/C output. You will need to add a 10 KOhm pull up resistor at location R452 (at right side of Broadcom BMC3543) to enable the S-video output. It is one of those “strapping option on power-on” kind of thing.

    Now you have an S-Video to TIVO with DTA809.
     
  5. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    Very nice! You should post this to AVS Forum -- there's a thread there titled something like "So when do we start hacking the CECBs?", along with a thread or two specific to RCA CECBs.

    But if you just want s-video, I'd just buy the Apex or something.
     
  6. twey

    twey New Member

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    I did consider to get Apex box 205 for its S-video. However, it has very low rating over all the reviews. I also don't know how to control it with TIVO S1 IR. And, hacking is fun.

    I did got a Channel Master CM-7000. It uses Pioneer cable code and work as expected. However, I did not find much improvement with S-Video with a good TV.

    I am looking into hack the boxes to let them stay on after power interruption so Tivo can record as normal.
     
  7. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    You plug them in with the TiVo into your UPS.

    Otherwise you can try ,with the convertor unplugged from power, holding down the power and one of the channel buttons on the box, then plugging it in. I have read that that may enable a mode that it will come on in a powered on state.
     
  8. cia_viewer

    cia_viewer New Member

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    I got additional information from TiVo:
    Results of Discontinuing service:

    No program guide, swivel search, ...
    No Sharing programs between TiVos and PC over LAN
    Manual recording mode only (Day, Time, Channel)
    Can select different CECB
    IR Blaster should still work
     
  9. Thos19

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    Can anyone recommend a good converter box that is compatible with the Series 2 serial cable (as opposed to IR emitter option)? Gotta get one for my parents.

    Thos.
     
  10. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    None are, and there are no plans at this time to make a serial compatibility for the DTA boxes. IR is your only option.
     
  11. Thos19

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    You cut me...you cut me deep. :(

    Thos.
     
  12. fallingwater

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  13. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    What's wrong with IR Blasters? I have a Channel Master 7000 connected to Series 2 using IR Blasters - so far no issues at all. Also been using IR Blasters on Sat receiver for 3.5 years with almost no issues.

    Good Luck,
     
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    restart88

    restart88 New Member

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    I had a serial connector on my DBS for a while but the receiver died all too soon. While the Ir does work fine the serial connector was quicker and more reliable IMO.
     
  15. Mar 4, 2009 #895 of 943
    Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    I had my S2 rigged up briefly with IR, and it was kind of annoying. Slow, and I was a bit iffy on whether it was always going to work (or if it got knocked out of position or something slightly...)

    At least it's something though!
     
  16. Mar 4, 2009 #896 of 943
    TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Ex-Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    How many here have any experience using an Artec model? I have a report of a problem with this model and would like more feedback. I ran a quick search and did not find what I was looking for. While I dig deeper into my resources, I figured I'd ask here.
     
  17. Mar 5, 2009 #897 of 943
    twey

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    I was ready to hack a CM-7000 to auto power on but stumbled to a feature I have not seen from the discussion yet.

    The CM7000 has a feature (hidden) called “last known state” (in a general term). Simply say it will return to last power state after power is restored. If the unit was on, it will turn on by itself (after the 30 second RED-boot state then turn to GREEN-on state). If the unit was in “standby”, it will turn on for a second than go back to standby (RED->GREEN->ORANGE). I did not find this in the manual. I fact, the manual not even have the disable auto-sleep listed under “tools” tab.

    At least for CM-7000 there is no need to hack the power to let it stay on. Not like the DTA809, I found that CM7000 is powered all the time. There is no “off” state, only “standby”. This is implied in the manual under “troubleshooting” too. As far as I can tell the only place the power been gate off is the tuner.

    This maybe is a "feature" the Channel Master don't want CECB to know due to the power saving concern.
     
  18. Mar 5, 2009 #898 of 943
    TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Ex-Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    Can you send me a PM with detailed instructions on how to access this? I could include the info in a matrix the agents use.
     
  19. Mar 5, 2009 #899 of 943
    twey

    twey New Member

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    TiVoJerry:

    It just a fact (by design), no need for change setup or hacking.

    To have auto power on:

    1. plug-in and turn on the CM-7000, the LED should turn Green.
    2. unplug power then plug power back in to simulate power lost
    3. wait LED turn RED and it should go back to Green.

    To not to have auto power on:

    1. plug-in and turn off (standby) the CM-7000, the LED should turn Orange.
    2. unplug power then plug power back in
    3. wait LED turn RED and it should go Green for a second then back to Orange (standby).


    I am not sure this is applicable to all CM-7000 from day-one or is firmware version depedent. My boxes are all just a month old with 6/08 dated firmware.

    I would like to hear from other owners if this works all the way back.

    Update 1:
    jjef confirmed it works for orignal CM (on AVS Forum).
     
  20. cia_viewer

    cia_viewer New Member

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    Does any one have any ideas about TiVo Series 2 Life Expectancy?
    It was built in Feb 2003. Model #: TCD240040

    Also, any ideas about most likely how it would die?
     

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