How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

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  1. Amiga

    Amiga New Member

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    :thumbsdown: I called about getting the whole 9.3.1c / 9.3c (whatever handles the digital converters) update since I am using an antenna as my only source. A TiVo CSR said that they ceased the 9.3.1c update and that we must wait for 9.4.

    A tad sad since I pulled the ol' Humax out of the closet because of the converter box update announcement.
     
  2. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    The CSR is wrong. 9.3c is still available. PM TiVoJerry your TSN if you need it. 9.3.1 is the one for Digital OTA support, and should be out very soon.
     
  3. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    The priority page allows you to sign up for 9.3c and has not been taken down. There was a slight delay sweeping TSNs in this last week, but that has been remedied. The agent has his version numbers all muxed.

    Keep in mind that 9.3c is only intended to fix a problem with channel scan during analog antenna setup. It does not provide support for digital antenna.

    9.3.1 is the version that allows control of digital OTA converters, and the rep is correct that this version is not yet available to the general public. We are still in the evaluation phase of the release where we determine what the overall impact of the rollout will be to our call center. Once we have that understanding, the rollout to the general public will proceed and the priority page will be changed to allow you to request 9.3.1 earlier.
     
  4. tkoyn

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    So, will the Insignia NS-DXA1-APT also be supported, under code 10090?

    I see the Apex DT250 has a code, but its not on the official list. When will the official list at http://www3.tivo.com/setupandsupport/digitaltrans/digitaltrans.html be updated?
     
  5. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    You are correct about the Insignia.

    Good catch on the website. I'll let them know.
     
  6. tkoyn

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    I would suggest that both Insignia models be on the list and in general, when two or more slightly different boxes are known to be alike enough to both work on the same codes to list all such model numbers.

    Also, TivoJerry, I submitted my aspect ratio suggestions I posted in this thread on the form you suggested in the PM. I did not hear anything back. Do you know or can you find out what engineering is doing with the idea? Thanks.
     
  7. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    There's always the likelihood that minor revisions will come out. We will add them when we are made aware of them.

    I am not in a position to speak to any specific Feature Enhancement requests submitted to http://research.tivo.com/suggestions/, but I can say that they generally take time to develop and implement. Anything submitted recently would likely not be available for awhile unless we'd already been working on it.
     
  8. tkoyn

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    I hope the engineers were already considering the fact that the TiVo would need to change aspect ratio settings for each program as it works through the to do list and I wrote to provide some detailed thoughts that I hope they will use to solve the problem better. If they cannot fully do it with the initial converter box support I hope they will address it the following update. I hope that TiVo users are not left with having to either record every show with the same aspect ratio setting or remember to manually change the setting in the box between the recordings.
     
  9. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    I think this will be more a function of the converter box and how it handles SD / HD sources.

    In my case I was doing HD 'squished' into a 4:3 frame and I was pillar boxing SD content headed into the Tivo. when played back and stretched back out on my HDTV it looked great.

    Now if you have a 4:3 TV you could do the same. Set HD to Letterbox / zoom / whatever on the converter box and have SD come over as-is.

    All the Tivo sees is 4:3 video coming in, no matter what it looks like to your eyes.
     
  10. tkoyn

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    But the Tivo needs to be able to control which choice is used depending on the broadcast. If you are just using the converter by itself, you may find a desire to change the mode manually depending on the show. It should be possible to set Tivo to do it for you when recording, under recording options. For a fuller explanation, please see my posts on page 19 of this thread, numbers 557 and 558.
     
  11. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    What you aren't understanding is that S2 hardware does not do 16:9. Only 4:3. Garbage in, garbage out.

    Aspect control on the STB is going to be set it and forget it. If the STB handles it stupidly (doesn't have separate settings for HD & SD) then you just have to live with it.

    Just remember - regardless of what you see on the TV, the picture the Tivo records is 4:3. The black bars are not genned by the Tivo, they are part of the 4:3 frame the STB is putting out.

    16:9 squished into 4:3 frame (for a 16:9 TV on 4:3 stretch), viewed on a 4:3 TV:
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    4:3 ina 4:3 frame (would look 'fat' on a 16x9 TV), viewed on a 4:3 TV:
    [​IMG]

    I don't have a pic but I could set the STB to auto letterbox the 16:9 stuff and it would all look perfect on a 4:3 TV (Well it'd be letter boxed with the broadcast pillar box).
     
  12. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    The Tivo doesn't need to know if it's wide screen or not. Anything on a HD channel is wide screen (they add the pillar box for for SD content on the HD channel). The alternative is to record from a SD digital channel if it's available to get 4:3 content without the pillar box.

    It sounds like you might want to zoom the wide screen content when you deem it necessary but this just isn't going to be feasible. Even the S3/THDs don't do this. The S3/THD records it as broadcast and if you have it in 4:3 mode you can zoom / letterbox / etc. It can do this because it handles and can differentiate 16:9 content. The S2s do not. It sees all content as the same - 4:3. It would be a global setting on the S2. You can already fix it globally via the STB so it doesn't make much sense to do it on the S2 Tivo too.
     
  13. bgiannes

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  14. pcbrew

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    Looks like a couple of my S2's have gotten the early push of the update (9.3.1.Kxxxx) sometime back (I was out for 2 weeks on business). However, I did not get a message on the box with info on the update as I thought was typical.

    Have others seens this - received 9.3.1 but no notification of new SW?

    I had been waiting for this but really wanted to use the CECB to augment analog cable as I was doing with an old Voom box to give me an option to record 16:9 network content with a higher quality input than the 4:3 version on analog cable.

    However, that option is not going to be offered for setup (analog cable + OTA converter) so I'll be stuck with using the hack for the Voom set up as a pseudo-Dish box.

    BTW, I am actually using this setup with on my S2DT to record the Olympics on NBC OTA and it's a pretty good compromise for archiving the Olympics, esp since I was traveling the first week. I have all eps still on the HDD, including the Opening ceremony at about 2GB/hour.
     
  15. dlt123

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    I am still waiting for my software update. I put in for the update on the TIVO website over a week ago and still haven't received the update.

    As of now, my software version is 9.3-01-2-540.

    I thought if we entered on Tivo service number on the TIVO site, we would be getting the update. Do I need to enter my service number again? :confused:

    Thanks,
    Dennis
     
  16. CuriousMark

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    Not yet. Watch this thread for a post by TiVoJerry. He will let us know when the time comes for that.

    Right now the website will get you 9.3c which will let you get through guided setup when trying to set up for over the air antenna, as posted above.
     
  17. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    With a lead-in like that, I can't pass up the chance to let you guys get your name on the list at the earliest opportunity. :D

    So.......even though the wording is not yet updated, feel free to use the current priority page (www.tivo.com/priority) to add your TSN to request 9.3.1. If you've added it in the last few days and not received 9.3c, you will automatically be mapped to 9.3.1.

    I'll do my best to let you know when you can start forcing connections to get the SW.
     
  18. Amiga

    Amiga New Member

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    I got 9.3.1 this evening without any on-screen notice. I only learned this after I decided to manually restart my TiVo.

    So, now that we have DTV OTA lovin', do we do another guided setup to make it work with a converter box? Also, what about the converter's sound level, is this something that needs to be experimented with?

    Debating about whether to buy the TiVo its own Channel Master CM-7000 or just use my existing DISH Network DTVPal through the satellite setup workaround. Any souls out there know whether you can buy a replacement IR Blaster at Fry's? My remote and other goodies got misplaced in a move.
     
  19. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    Yes, you'll need to re-run guided setup. The IR blasters can be purchased on ebay or Tivo.com.



     
  20. larkor

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    I just received the 9.3.1 update. It works great with my Zenith DTT901.
     

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