How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by 056557, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. tevoisseur

    tevoisseur Tivoisseur

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    I'm not sure why that would be any different than creating a special guide data for a handful of users. I've heard that they do that in cases where people have satellite that is pushed down from their apartment building.

     
  2. snedecor

    snedecor Member

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    Here's the quote:

    Sorry, but we are not going to put an infrastructure like this in place.
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  3. tevoisseur

    tevoisseur Tivoisseur

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    Yep, I saw that. I'm just saying that it should be no different than what they currently do.
     
  4. TiVoJedi

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    Yes, I hacked it in 2002 when I first got the Turbonet card. :D

    So I just need to know if the Zenith DTT901 can tune the subchannels directly without a dash or some other character (i.e I can press 2-7-2 and it goes to 27.2, which is my CW channel, 27.1 being CBS).

    I finally installed TiVowebPlus (had been using the original TiVoweb since the beginning) and see the channelmap system area. In theory I could get the Zenith (which has the better tuner) and use TiVoWebPlus to remap whatever TiVo thinks is my CW to 272, right?

    Also did I understand it correctly that by remapping the channel, whenever TiVo changes my lineup, I will have to repeat the Channelmap settings in TiVoWebPlus? I guess I am torn between the Zenith and APEX. Which one should I get for the least trouble with trying this homebrew solution?
     
  5. jlac839

    jlac839 New Member

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    I just tried pressing 541 and 542 on the remote for my Zenith DTT900. It correctly went to 54-1 and 54-2 respectively. Then I tried 041 to get to 4-1 and 042 to get 4-2 and 043 to get 4-3. All of these worked fine. Pressing 41 caused the box to attempt to tune to 41-1 which is not a channel I receive so the leading 0 is necessary for stations between 1 and 9 (if you receive channels in that range) and wish to provide a subchannel number. Interestingly, if I just pressed 1 it went to 11-1 since that's the first station tuned that starts with a 1 in my area.

    Since the DTT901 is an upgrade to the 900, I surmise that it will work the same way. However, to be sure, perhaps some kind soul who owns a 901 could test it too?
     
  6. snedecor

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    There is a web site that has what one person did to get his Zenith CECB to work with a series 1. it is:

    http://www.gratisoft.us/tivo/dtv.html

    It very similar to what I did with an RCA CECB and my hacked Series 1.

    The series 1 thinks it is controlling a (RCA in my case) cable box. The lineup was chosen from a local cable operator, one that had all the locals (but not necessarily at the right channels) . The channels were re-mapped just as you tested above, using TiVoWebPlus (which crashes for me sometimes, dunno why). The fact that it was a cable box seemed to tell TiVo that 3 digit channels were used. Tivo pads with zeroes, so for my channel 2.1 digital, I remapped to 21. TiVo sends 021 and the CECB tunes to subchannel 2.1.

    However, whenever there is a lineup change, all my remappings are lost, and I have to re-do the mappings. Oh well, the price for progress.

    Good luck!
     
  7. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    It actually is. In the case of a custom lineup, we still have a reporting agency (even if it's an apartment complex) who provides us an official lineup card and contact for Tribune Media Services to work with directly. If that provider changes anything, it is their responsibility to contact TMS and provide an update. If a customer reports the change through us, we notify TMS who then contacts the provider to confirm before enacting a change.

    In this case, you're asking TMS to keep track of two station numbers for one station ID. This would require manual handling for either every single antenna headend in the United States, or only those currently occupied by a Series1 owner, so that a relatively very small number of people could implement a workaround to keep their equipment working.

    Then there are the support calls we might have to take for channel changing issues if a customer purchases a converter model that does not work well with the workaround. I believe some converters, for example, will tune to 21-1 if you only enter "2 1", but that might cause a little grief if you wanted to tune to 2-1.

    Perhaps I'm off base with my example, but the bottom line is that it is not practical for us and TMS to commit to a workaround that requires manual handling on a large scale.
     
  8. bluespecials

    bluespecials New Member

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    Dose anyone have a date when TIVO will give the software updates? Their website say Summer 2008.
     
  9. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    bluespecials, we do not like to promise specific dates in case something comes up that causes a delay. We've done that it the past and it came back to bite us, sometimes in more ways than one. :eek:

    When we do begin the release to the Series2 population, I'm pretty sure we'd front load it to go out to our known antenna customers. Even if that weren't to happen, there will be a priority page that goes up once the initial CS Ramp period is complete so that anyone, including those not currently showing in our system as using antenna, can request the software sooner.:cool:

    And I'm thinking that we'd probably even keep a close eye on important threads, such as this one :), and proactively notify our esteemed forum customers so they can get in on all the goodness ASAP.:up:
     
  10. rainbow

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    That is what I would want, even though I am not using an antenna as I have cable. Who knows, at some point I might decide to do rabbit ears for my series 2 unit for whatever reason, and I want to have the option.

    What I really would want is to be able to transfer my lifetime from my 2004 series 2 to my new series 3 that is in transit for delivery. At this time, since I have a series 2 and a series 3, both with lifetime, the idea of putting out another $300 for another lifetime is just a bit much for me right now.

    It all just gets a bit confusing, so i went ahead and bought the 2nd series 3 in preparation for HD. Don't know when I'll get an HDTV, however. (does this sound like a cart before the horse thing:eek:)

    If anyone has a suggestion for how i can get my series 2 lifetime transferred to a new series 3, i am all ears
     
  11. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    The only problem with that is that it can also mean "We'll get rid of all analog channels, and then force you to use a cable box from now on."

    Even if at first they're free, you KNOW the boxes will end up having a fee attached. And then there's the matter of an older TiVo controlling a cable box...not always a sure thing.
     
  12. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Right now, there is no direct way.

    The only way is a round about way, by purchasing the MSD Product Lifetime, and selling the Series 2.

    Or you can wait and see if they will offer a transfer offer.
     
  13. tevoisseur

    tevoisseur Tivoisseur

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    Ok, thanks for that info Jerry. I wondered why this would not be practical. On the surface, it would seem easy enough until you think about what Tribune would need to do as well.

    Anyway, I guess the only real workaround is going to be a channel remap with a hacked box (on the S1).

     
  14. rainbow

    rainbow Member

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    Thanks for your response. :)

    Something to ponder.
     
  15. taronga

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    There shouldn't be any problem with a S2DT using a converter box alongside analog cable, should there? Time Warner here has particularly bad reception with several local channels, and I'd love to get cleaner recordings.
     
  16. NotVeryWitty

    NotVeryWitty Too Big to Fail

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    Tivo has said they will not support the OTA converter boxes on an S2DT. :(
     
  17. tkoyn

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    The DT250 is not on the list of Tivo supported converters? Can the others also handle 16:9.

    I would like my Tivo series 2 to capture over-the-air 16:9 programs stretched vertically to fill the screen and re-record onto my DVD recorder, and then play back either on my regular 4:3 TV by setting its mode to re-letterbox it, or play on a 16:9 LCD completely filling the screen. Which Tivo supported converters should I be looking at?
     
  18. TiVoJedi

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    I decided on the APEX DT250 CECB for my S1 TiVo at Best Buy after work today. I hadn't had a chance to try to make it flirt with my TiVo yet, but played around with it. The s-video quality is awesome. I won't use the s-video with the TiVo though because the s-video connector on my TiVo is occupied by my satellite receiver. Instead I think I will plug the Apex into my TiVo using other connections and send the s-video direct to the TV. In this way my TiVo can record off satellite and I can watch live TV locally from the APEX on an input on the TV. Now what remote code is for the APEX again? *looks through back pages of this thread*

    EDIT: OH yeah it was Newskilz with this post here:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6471585#post6471585
    Remote code for Apex -> Hughes 10020
    Thanks Newskilz! I'll try it when I have a chance.

    Hopefully guided setup for cable + satellite isn't horribly long. I am using a Turbonet card for access,so maybe it won't be too painful.
     
  19. TiVoJedi

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    Just discovered that the Apex cannot tune subchannels by pressing digit-digit-digit. You have to press the dash button to tune a subchannel (TiVo isn't going to know how to do that). That's really a bummer for me because I was hoping to channel map CWKYT to WBKI, as I get perfect signal for the CWKYT subchannel than I do from WBKI; which only tunes when the sun goes down and radiation isn't blotting out the signal. I suspect I can't return the APEX to Best Buy and get the $40 coupon credit returned and go to Circuit City and get the Zenith instead, eh? Time to find another neighbor who will order me a coupon maybe (the postal service lost mine I requested on 1.1.08 and the government absolutely REFUSES to send me replacements.. they claim "not our screw-up, file a complaint with your postal branch".)
     
  20. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    The S3 / THD does 'dash', FWIW. It uses the 30 sec skip button for '-'.
     

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