How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by 056557, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. Jul 5, 2008 #421 of 943

    TivoZorro New Member

    Jul 16, 2000


    Thanks. It looks like I will be ordering a Series 3 at least for my bedroom tv. Still wondering if it will get the basic digital channels without having the cablecards installed. Don't mind spending the money, just want everything to work.
  2. Jul 5, 2008 #422 of 943

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

    Oct 7, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    To get any digital 'cable' channels (by cable I mean from the cable source), you'll still need cablecards.

    Without cablecards you can only tune 1-74 from analog. If the channels are in the clear you might be able to tune then but they'll be on strange channel numbers. Channel 33 might be channel 27-03 or something like that. The problem with this is that then your Tivo won't have guide data for the channel as it only knows the channel as chanel 33.

    Now, if you're looking to get the local channels 'off-air' and the cable channels via analog, the S3/THD will do that quite nice. I have one of each doing this now. All you really gain is High Definition output, dual tuners and recording capacity over a S2 with with an ATSC tuner.

    The bottom line is that without cablecards you won't be able to record anything from cable that you can't get with your S2.
  3. Jul 5, 2008 #423 of 943

    restart88 New Member

    Mar 9, 2002
    I just received this email from a BHN cable rep:

    Any additional televisions connected to cable but without a Digitalbox/HD box will receive Standard Cable channels which are 2-69 and 99.

    OTOH there was no mention whether this is just for now or if it will always be that way and her previous reply had different figures for the cost of the services. :rolleyes:

    The irony here is that I finally got my S2DT working with an OTA digital converter, so I'd lose the easy ability to manually Tivo sub channels in exchange for having a dual tuner that records 2-69 and 99.

    But it amazes me is how they can't even get the price right the 1st time since that's what they do is take sales orders! This is like the 3rd or 4th different price they've now quoted. :mad:
  4. Jul 6, 2008 #424 of 943

    cia_viewer New Member

    Mar 11, 2008
    Zenith DTT900 & Insignia NS-DXA1 NoPassThru
    Zenith DTT901 & Insignia NS-DXA1-APT PassThru

    My attic mounted antenna is 'shared' by a 'homerun' box in the basement that is connected to COAX outlets in different rooms.

    One of those COAX outlets is connected to the antenna input of my HD TiVo.

    Another of the COAX outlets is connected to my Zenith DTT901 antenna in. Its COAX RF out and RCA r/w/y out are connected to my Series 2 TiVo inputs. This TiVo also has its COAX RF out and RCA r/w/y out connected to an analog TV.

    When the Zenith DTT901 is powered on it is tuning and converting DTV to ATV to be received by (Ch3/Ch4) in the TiVo which in turn is delivering the ATV to (Ch3/Ch4) in the TV.

    When the Zenith DTT901 is powered off it is 'Passing Through' the ATV so it can be tuned by the TiVo of the TV.
  5. Jul 6, 2008 #425 of 943

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

    Jan 2, 2001
    Renton, WA


    Clarification: For dual digital tuners, one can use a TiVo S3 or the less expensive TiVo HD.

    I am not sure why you are only recommending the S3, unless you were speaking generically in a way that addresses both models.
  6. Jul 6, 2008 #426 of 943

    restart88 New Member

    Mar 9, 2002
    Yes, I was speaking generically. I was just thinking about the $200 Tivo HD being the cheaper option.
  7. Jul 6, 2008 #427 of 943

    dpecs New Member

    Sep 29, 2007
    Could somebody explain why having a pass thru box is a good thing? I know what it is. I just don't understand why its such a big deal. Thanks for the info.
  8. Jul 6, 2008 #428 of 943

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

    Oct 7, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Not all stations have or will switch to Digital.

    This being said, I seriously doubt Tivo will support the analog pass-through (turning off the STB) for recording from the analog source. If anything maybe they'll let you choose to record both from either the on-board analog tuner or the ATSC tuner.

    Again, A S3/THD makes this a lot simpler. If you can find a deal and you aren't under a subsidized contract, get the new box, TSN swap, everyone is happy. I did this for my THD in place of my MSD'd S2.
  9. Jul 6, 2008 #429 of 943

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

    Aug 2, 2003
    Analog pass-through allows you to continue using the TV's built-in tuner to pick up analog (NTSC) channels, while they're still on. Even after February 2009, some "low power" analog stations will remain on air, for an indefinite period. Personally, I don't get any such stations, so I don't care about analog pass-through.

    But if you've ever owned a VCR, you've had pass-through on it. It's kind of crazy that the CECB's weren't all built this way to begin with.
  10. Jul 7, 2008 #430 of 943

    bicker bUU

    Nov 9, 2003
    Until it doesn't, and then anyone who read your message and decided to buy one to use with their TiVo have only themselves to blame (because they should never have believed you over TiVoJerry).
  11. Jul 7, 2008 #431 of 943

    restart88 New Member

    Mar 9, 2002
    Maybe you saw a different quote from TiVoJerry but the one I seem to recall reading said no converter box was going to be supported for it.

    Not sure where the downside is in what I said. At best this is a temporary measure anyway because if everyone had $200 for an S3 they'd probably have gone that route anyway. I'm not sure if it was this thread or the other but I did ALSO say that I probably wouldn't suggest buying an S2 but that this was a way to give one a little longer life.

    And at worst you wind up spending $20 for a converter box that you probably can find some use for.
  12. Jul 7, 2008 #432 of 943

    larkor New Member

    Mar 3, 2008
    I just received my DTVPal today and I find that works with Dishnetwork for the local into local channel lineup. All two digit channels are now entered correctly. I no longer get 2.9 for 29 or 3.3 for 33. Use code 10001-C.
  13. Jul 9, 2008 #433 of 943

    Mike500 Member

    Jun 28, 2004
    I just got this email from TiVo, today;

    Dear TiVo® customer,
    Our records show that you currently receive some or all of your television signals for your TiVo® DVR through good old-fashioned "rabbit ears" or rooftop antenna.
    That means you WILL be affected by the "Digital Transition" on February 17, 2009—the date television stations are federally mandated to switch from old-style analog to all-digital broadcast signals.
    To learn how you are affected and what you need to do, follow these simple instructions:
    Enter your TSN# 240xxxxxxxxxx in the requested field.
    We'll then fill you in on everything you need to know to continue enjoying the world's best way to watch TV with TiVo!

    Thanks for being a valued member of the TiVo family!
    — Your friends at TiVo Inc.
  14. Jul 9, 2008 #434 of 943

    jlac839 New Member

    Nov 6, 2004
    San Jose, CA
    Well, I didn't get any email from TiVo but I visited the site and entered my TSN to see what it would report. This is what I got...

    Relax, and continue enjoying your favorite shows!

    Because you currently DO NOT receive analog signals using an antenna, you don't need to life a finger! Your TiVo®HD DVR has digital tuners built-in so you do not need to buy a government-subsidized digital converter box or a digital-ready TV. Just enjoy your favorite shows and the TiVo experience like you always have.

    Thanks for being a member of the TiVo family!

    Digital Transition Fun Facts

    * While Digital Transition will affect more than 30 million analog TVs in the US households that rely on over-the-air broadcasts, thanks to TiVo, you're not one of them.
    * American homes have an average of 2.6 televisions.
    * If you have any outdated electronics, check whether your municipality offers recycling programs that accept electronic waste at

    Trouble is, I don't have a TiVo HD unit. I have a series 2 DVD unit and I receive OTA analog programming. I know I need a converter and am awaiting information about the software upgrade that will let me use it. So, I wouldn't trust this page just yet until they get some kinks worked out.

    Edit: I called TiVo support to report this issue and the agent confirmed it. He indicated that he would forward the issue to engineering.
  15. Jul 9, 2008 #435 of 943

    bradm42 New Member

    Dec 5, 2006
    More interesting is this list of supported boxes (click the converter boxes tab)

    # Insignia NS-DXA1
    # Venturer STB7766G
    # Magnavox TB100MW9
    # RCA DTA 800A
    # GE 22729
    # Zenith DTT900
    # Channel Master CM-7000
    # Lasonic LTA-260
    # Philco TB100HH9
    # Samsonic FT300A
    # Tivax STB-T9
    # Artec T3Apro
  16. Jul 9, 2008 #436 of 943

    dlt123 New Member

    Jun 11, 2008
    Ok bradm42, I'll bite... what's this list about?... :confused:

    [Edit] Never mind, I figured it out... Tsk Tsk... I still don't see DTVPal in the list... I wonder if they are going to support this box? [/Edit]

  17. Jul 9, 2008 #437 of 943

    magnus Tivo User

    Nov 12, 2004
    I just tried my S1 and it returns the same message. I have my set up to get UVerse because there is no way that I could get the converter box to work without choosing something other than OTA (because there is no option for using a box with OTA).

  18. Jul 9, 2008 #438 of 943

    jlac839 New Member

    Nov 6, 2004
    San Jose, CA
    Well spotted bradm42 - that's the information I wanted. I surmise that the list is good enough to trust since TivoJerry did indicate last week that they had been testing several units and that an update was imminent. Now I just want to know when the software will be released (harrumph - never satisfied :D).
    Edit: Actually, I'd rather just have the software!

    They really ought to link to this page from the existing page about digital tuning (and vice versa?):

    Perhaps they haven't gotten around to it yet.
  19. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    That is because TiVo believes you are set up for Uverse service, therefore believes you are unaffected.

    If you were set up for analog antenna only, the response will be different.

    I did get the offer (on the website, not be email, yet anyways), because I do have one TiVo that TiVo believes is set up for analog antenna, which is really set up for another satellite receiver (to get just NASA TV, because my primary provider; Star Choice, does not carry it, nor does any cable provider in my time zone).

    I understand there is to be a general summer update pretty soon. My understanding is mostly based on hearsay and rumour though.
  20. Lurker1

    Lurker1 Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2004
    I am already using the S2 infrared blaster to control my satellite box. Will I be able to control both a digital converter box and satellite box with one S2? The information from the TiVo email and web site implies that I can add a converter box to my current setup and not to worry. I am suspicious of this.

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