How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

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  1. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    On mine I had the ATSC tuner 'squish' the 16:9 picture intro the 4:3 frame. When you set your TV to 'stretch' for what it thinks is 4:3 content, it rendered nice on my 16:9 set. It was quite nice for not being HD.

    Of course I have all S3/THD hardware now :cool:.

    Shawn
     
  2. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    I thought Wal Mart only carried the Thompson/RCA one? I picked up two Magnavox ones from K-Mart, but haven't tried them yet. As long as they work with Tivo... :)
     
  3. David_NC

    David_NC New Member

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    I've got the TB100MW9, similar to the Kmart box, but no antenna feedthru.
    It actually changes channels well with the IR blaster, so should work fine once they get the software updated. If you want to play with it, try IR code 10086.
     
  4. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, cool, I'll copy that down. For the time being I've got basic cable, so I probably won't mess with it until after official support comes out. (My cable company is going to jack up my internet rate, so I'm probably switching to DSL and losing basic cable in a few months :( )
     
  5. TiVoJedi

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    Forgive me for jumping in a thread without reading much of it, but I have a Phillips Series 1 TiVo and wondered if it will be possible to use the TiVo with a DTV converter box AND satellite receiver? Can the TiVo zap both receivers to change channels locally AND from the sat tuner? I know you're thinking, "why don't you just pay Dish Network $6/month and get locals on your dish tuner?". The answer is "I'm cheap" and don't want to pay anything for locals I pick up easily off the air. The TiVo's G-link cable actually has two 'heads', so one would be used for the IR of the DTV box and the other to the satellite tuner box. I don't believe TiVo plans to do a software upgrade on S1, but I do have my TiVo hacked with a Turbonet card for updates over ethernet (been running it this way for years), but am pressed to spend much time researching what I can and can't do with the DTV converter box.

    I see more talk on series 2 owners concerned about the DTV transition with their TiVo's and not much on series 1 owners thinking about using two receivers and how to set that up. I'd appreciate any insight anyone would like to share on S1 TiVo setup with a DTV converter box and sat tuner box... how to handle (or not).
     
  6. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    I'd say yes*.

    The * being if you can find a cable lineup in your area with a 'close enough' channel lineup, if the IR blaster will control your DTV box (the usual problem), and you choose cable (with a box on RF ch3/4) + satellite in guided setup.
     
  7. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Ex-Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    The official word is that the Series 1 models will not be receiving a software update. Those models will not officially support digital antenna, although it's possible there is a workaround that *might* work reasonably well for you.

    As a Series 1 owner, I strongly urge you to make sure your email address is updated in our systems so we can reach out to you in the very near future with more information.
     
  8. dlt123

    dlt123 New Member

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    Hi all, I own a Series 2 TIVO box and have not heard which boxes TIVO will support for DTV. Does anyone know if TIVO is going to support either of the DTVPal or Channel Master CM-7000 Digital to Analog Converter DTV units?

    I posed this question earlier in this thread, but it must have fallen through the cracks.

    Thanks,
    Dennis
     
  9. kb7oeb

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    You could buy a used 811 for cheap (they won't work for Dish HD much longer), it has a digital OTA tuner built in, as long as Dish places your locals on the same channel numbers you will only need the one box.
     
  10. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Ex-Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    We haven't posted a list of boxes we intend to support yet, but did state that the Digital Stream models are the first we do not intend to support. A more comprehensive list is coming shortly.
     
  11. mattn2

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    I am the "IT" (Video Tech?) person for my family and have siblings and parents that have series 1 TiVos in other states (multiple installs). How can I get the necessary information "as a Series 1 owner" ?

    I have just recently de-commissioned my old S1 Philips.

    Thanks!

    # Matt
     
  12. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Ex-Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    Stay tuned to this thread. I will make sure it is updated when I know more information has been made public.
     
  13. David_NC

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    :( OK, no software update.

    :confused: How about just a way to load the digital channel lineup into a series 1, possibly using strictly numbers with no "." or "-" for the subchannel, (such as 401 for 4-1, 1203 for 12-3, etc), so that I can at least get the correct station listed on a manual recording? I can do that on some channels now, using the local cable lineup, and setting the converter manually - makes it much easier to keep track of which of the 5 PBS subchannels I recorded on.
     
  14. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    A suggestion for OTA Series 1 users...

    Get the Dish DTVPal.

    It has a timer like an old VCR and can change channels.

    Set your TiVo up to work with any type of external source you want, but then set up manual recordings for your Season Passes. Use any channel you like, especially if it's the channel you'll actually be recording.

    Set the timer on the DTVPal box to the time and channel you want.

    If your Series 1 is subscribed, once the recording is over the guide data might be wrong when you go to the Now Playing list (if you didn't choose the same channel you actually recorded), but the recording will be in there.

    For unsubbies like me, set the TiVo to record any channel you want, since there won't be any real show info in the Now Playing section.

    The TiVo won't use an IR blaster, since the DTVPal will be changing channels and turning on all on its own.

    The converter box's timer will have the box turning to the channel you wanted to record (if you set it right), and at the same time your TiVo thinks it's telling its external source to change channels; the TiVo will then start recording....whatever the box is sending it.

    This all should work because of the DTVPal's timer feature, which I don't think any of the other boxes have.
     
  15. cia_viewer

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    I believe with this approach, the TiVo would always be recording digital programming 'from Ch3 (or Ch4)'.

    I have used this hookup with one CECB, 1 VCR and 1 TV:
    ant => CECB => VCR => TV
    With this:
    1) CECB (off); VCR (off Ch3); TV (on Ch??) = view analog on TV
    2) CECB (on Ch??); VCR (off Ch3); TV (on Ch3) = view digital on TV
    3) CECB (off); VCR (on Ch??); TV (on/off Ch3) = record analog on VCR
    4) CECB (on Ch??); VCR (on Ch3); TV (on/off Ch3) = record digital on VCR

    Use your TiVo instead of the VCR shown above.

    I have not done #4 with my Series 2 TiVo, yet, because Ch3 is not on it acceptable list and Ch4 is a live analog TV station.

    My preferred CECB is Zenith DTT901. My coupons expired before the DTVPal debuted.
     
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    David_NC

    David_NC New Member

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    If you use the A/V connections from the CECB to the Tivo, then the Tivo can be set to any channel - if your Tivo is subscribed, and you have a channel lineup (such as the local cable) that carries the digital OTA channels, then the recordings will have the correct program data.

    It is also possible to split the antenna feed between the Tivo RF In and the CECB - then the Tivo can tune the analog channels on the internal tuner, and the digital channels come in through the A/V connections (the Tivo thinks the CECB is a cable box, although it can't actually change the CECB channels). The main problem with this is the loss in signal strength when you use the splitter, dividing the signal between the Tivo and the CECB.
     
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    gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    :confused:

    We're really aiming this for the digital changeover.

    There won't BE any analog channels (in most cases) for the TiVo to tune.
     
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    Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    There will be analog cable box outputs and analog satellite box outputs for a long time to come. Also, native cable in most areas will provide many analog channels for several years.
     
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    David_NC

    David_NC New Member

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    Not all OTA stations are required to cease broadcasting on Feb 17, 2009 - there are exceptions for low power and translator stations, which can continue until the FCC decides otherwise.

    Just had another thought - I wonder if the upgrade for the series 2 will be able to accommodate a CECB and a satellite box at the same time? (One on the RF input, the other on the A/V inputs). Possibly running one off the serial, and the other off the IR blaster?
     
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    snedecor

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    As a Series 1 owner (hacked) who has this working, TiVo needs to do very little to support the CECB on Series 1.

    1- They need to create one new lineup for each major OTA market. They already have this for antenna customers. They need to set it up as a cable lineup, and change the channel assignment. OTA channel 2 becomes 21. Channel 13 becomes 131. Channel 55 becomes 551. Almost all CECB's can already be controlled by the IR blaster. They just need an accurate lineup to control to.

    2- TiVo Series one user only needs to re-do guided setup and select the appropriate lineup.

    I know there are issues for people who have cable boxes and satellite boxes along with the CECB's but a partial solution is better than none. I also know there are a few sticky wickets with CECB's that act strangely, but if they got it working on a few models, unfortunate Series 1 users could only buy the boxes that worked.

    If they truly wanted to support the poor Series 1 users, they would add the sub-channel guide information and channel mapping. However, most of the sub-channels in my market are looped weather information, replays of the evening news, or music videos (Trinity Broadcasting Network and Pax are notable exceptions). I could live with just the .1 assignments in a pinch.

    C'mon TiVo, if we can figure this out, surely you can too. It's the least you can do for the people who financed your beginnings, and in some cases, still add to the till.
     

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