How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by 056557, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    NOT IF HIS CABLE COMPANY DISCONTINUES ANALOG SERVICE, as he said.

    Granted, the thread is about OverTheAir TV, not cable.
     
  2. gastrof

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    This sounds like a problem with how your digital converter box works, rather than the way the TiVo works.

    Most likely, if you used the converter's own remote and punched in the number of the channel you're already tuned to, it'd also cause the box to kick over to the next subchannel.

    Suggestion?

    Test drive a different brand of converter box and see if it does the same thing. Might not.
     
  3. bicker

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    My transfers to PC are fine, but I cannot transfer HD recordings back to the TiVo S3. :shrug:
     
  4. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    I've been able too :p.

    The weirdity I see is is I convert a SD AVI to MPG I have to encode the pillar box as the Tivo treats it like HD content (locks out aspect button).

    Shawn
     
  5. Puppy76

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    But they can't until what, 2011 or something like that? Not sure if that means they can stop it, but provide you with a converter box, but either way it's not related to the cut off next year.

    Do you use it pretty frequently, and no screw-ups? That's good to hear, because I've read a lot of negative stuff about that, and it's critical to me. My Series 2 started out somewhat flaky though too (although never quite as bad as some of the stories I've read about the S3). I think it may have been the 9.x software (if I'm thinking of the right version number) that finally seems to have fixed it for me.
     
  6. bicker

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    Sure they can. There are two options the 2012-related regulation offers: The MSO can provide analog signals across the cable, or the MSO can provide digital signals across the cable and offer converter boxes (included in the service fee, or with a separate rental fee) with analog outputs.
     
  7. Puppy76

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    Okay, that's what I was thinking, but still, this has nothing to do with this thread. If you have cable, you're not affected by the 2009 cut off (and I suspect most cable companies are going to leave analog running for years, although I could be wrong since I know they'll want to save as much bandwidth as they can).
     
  8. Budget_HT

    Budget_HT Heavy User (of TiVo)

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    I think the open question is how much analog remains in service on the cable system. I suspect that the quantity of analog channels will shrink over time rather than all at once. Time will tell.
     
  9. bicker

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    However, it is becoming more likely to shrink in significant steps (60 to 30 to 0) rather than continue to shrink gradually as it has been doing in many areas (70 to 65 to 63 to 60).
     
  10. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Ex-Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    You might want to check out this post by TiVoPony. It gives guidance on how you might be able to join in on the testing.
     
  11. cia_viewer

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    Friday 13 June, I spent about 6 hours and off and on time with several very courteous and very patient TiVo Technical Support Agents. They admitted that working with a CECB was covering new ground.
    The goal was to get my CECB (Zenith DTT900) and TiVo Series 2 DVR (with IR Blaster) working together.

    My antenna COAX was connected to the CECB (instead of directly to TiVo).
    The CECB was connected with RF COAX and composite (r/w/y) to the TiVo.
    The TiVo remained connected to my TV with RF COAX and composite (r/w/y).
    The IR Blaster was plugged into TiVo IR Output and positioned in front of the CECB IR Sensor.

    With the TV still set at Ch3 and the TiVo also set to Ch3, I was able to view 'Live TV' by selecting Digital Channels with the CECB Remote Control.
    The TiVo Remote could adjust the TV Volume as usual. I never saw any indication that the IR Blaster communicated any signals to the CECB.

    At the end of the six hours, I spoke with a supervisor. I told him his agents were very courteous and very patient. He told me that TiVo could not work with any of the CECBs. He also said the that sometime this summer TiVo software will be updated to support 'all of the CECBs'. I told him the TiVo OTA community felt an urgency to know which CECBs could work best with TiVo.
    I have not, as yet, received an email confirming his statements.

    This is the longest period I have had the Zenith DTT900 powered up. It was just a little warm. I think it is a good thermal design.
     
  12. gastrof

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    And you posted this.....

    WHY?

    We all know that TiVo has NEVER been able to work with such boxes, because they never existed until now.

    We also know that the TiVo website says they'll be upgrading most of the Series 2 TiVos to work with such boxes.

    What I'm surprised at is that you even tried it now, since using a set top digital OverTheAir tuner isn't one of the setup options for a TiVo....yet.

    Didn't the fact your Guided Setup didn't offer such to you as an option tell you something?
     
  13. dpecs

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    My Zenith works great with Tivo. I did the workaround mentioned and now I have full capability due to signing up for the beta testing.
     
  14. cia_viewer

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    I signed up for Beta Testing, but I guess they did not need any more. I hope it goes well so we all can benefit.
     
  15. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Umm... Have you been accepted? ;)
     
  16. TiVoJerry

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    I would ask anyone else who is looking to have digital antenna support to please sit tight and not tie up my agents for 6 hours. They will not be able to do anything until we have software to release.
     
  17. cia_viewer

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    I am sorry, but your well qualified agents did not have that information either. They did put me on hold, to consult, several times, so it would seem the ones they consulted with were not informed of this either.

    Unfortunately, this whole converter box 'deal' has brought out less than admirable qualities in a lot of different people and organizations.

    I would hope that you and the rest of TiVo management might find some form of regular 'progress reports' that you can share with these public forums to keep us reassured that solutions are coming.

    The biggest question most of us have had is: Which CECBs will be more likely to work best with TiVo?

    My two coupons are already used up on a Zenith DTT901 and a Magnavox TB100MG9.
     
  18. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry Ex-Caavo employee (Ex-TiVo, '00-'16)

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    The information you have requested is already in the process of being written and reviewed by cross functional teams. We're almost there, please be patient.

    Our agents only have the information that is available in our online knowledge article.
    http://www.tivo.com/setupandsupport/howto/Digital_antenna_support.html
    That said, not all of them are familiar with it yet. We're in the process of bringing up new centers and that always comes with growing pains.

    I'm sorry if you feel my response was less than admirable. I figured that since you were on this forum, you already had all of the available information but were pressing to find a workaround sooner than when the SW update became available.
     
  19. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    I've already given this user the workaround... in this thread. They just need to be patient.

    I'll admit that I was a little concerned when I had called a while back and CSR told me to get satellite or cable (and that Tivo was not going to support OTA in the future).

    However, I did post that Tivo is working on the solution when I found that the CSR was misinformed.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=379790
     
  20. cia_viewer

    cia_viewer New Member

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    Thank you.

    I was not referring to you.

    I follow at least a half dozen AVS forums as well as a couple TiVo forums. I have seen several rants and talk of unethical behavior with the CECBs.
     

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