How will Tivo Series 2 sets be able to tune the upcoming DTV Broadcast Converters?

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  1. Adam1115

    Adam1115 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    When I went to the page last night it said:

    I didn't know what the heck an HD (ATSC) antenna was.

    I see that the changed the page.
     
  2. fangjun

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    Whittaker,

    You keep saying the following. I just don't understand.

     
  3. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    It's absolutely possible, just an issue of whether they'll do it (they might not think it's worth the development time or whatever).

    I'd never heard of a "smart antenna". That sounds really awesome. I've thought for ages that here in the 21st century we ought to be able to build a better antenna. Hopefully if it works lots of TVs, etc. will start supporting it.

    Where can we get more info on what to buy? I was going to head over to Best Buy and see what they have tonight. I was hoping to find the Magnavox model, as I guess it's supposed to be a good tuner, and Phillips is a real brand at least (even though it's not really made by them).

    They DON'T have planned support. They've specifically said they're looking in to the issue and have NOT promised anything.
     
  4. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    You're not up to date. Look at post #294, above.

     
  5. b_scott

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    i don't think this is true. almost every J6P i've talked to has seen the commercials and knows it's coming. the thing they DON'T understand is if they're affected and what they need to do. most think they have to buy a new TV, but they don't. only if they only use antenna. and even then only if they don't want to use the converter box.
     
  6. SMWinnie

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    OK, now I'm scratching my head. I can't figure out why a 540x will work with a CECB but a 542x won't.

    From TiVo's "Digital antenna support" webpage:
    "Series2 DVRs with either a 649 (Dual Tuner) or a 542 prefix, are only intended to work with cable and satellite and this functionality will remain unchanged. No additional functionality enabling these DVRs to receive a digital antenna signal will be added by the software update."

    As I understand it, the 649 and 542 have been sold without an NTSC tuner due to (1) no ATSC tuner and (2) the no-NTSC-without-ATSC mandate. But for any Series2, using a CECB (or other converter box) requires blaster control of an external box and composite/S-video/RF-in input. In this context, what's hamstrung about a 649DT or 542?

    (No skin off my back...I have a THD and a 540x. I am curious, though.)
     
  7. MickeS

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    It might just be a policy issue. Since they are not meant for OTA, there is no need to add additional costs for support and development to assure compatibility with OTA converter boxes.
    They might also have some special codes for disabling OTA guide data.

    Basically, I'm guessing they want to minimize costs by not messing with something unless they have to, and for these models they don't have to.
     
  8. Puppy76

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    Ooooh, nice! Well then I can keep using my Tivo 'till it dies I guess :)

    It's too bad, because that dual tuner Series 2 would be really awesome...of course it wouldn't actually work with two tuners, so I guess not that awesome...

    From everything I've read, Series 3 just isn't up to par yet, with weird sync issues, show transfer issues, etc. (plus tiny internal drives), where I'd feel more comfortable using a PC based DVR or a Series 2...if they had more tuners.
     
  9. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    "Weird sync issues"? No idea what you mean, although audio and video can (rarely) get out of sync with any digital broadcast (i.e., you'd see the same thing with any equipment). "Tiny internal drives"? No, they're much larger than those in other models of TiVo. (But of course, HD recordings take up more space.) "Show transfer issues"? If you mean, some shows can't be transferred because of DRM, yeah. That doesn't apply to broadcast channels, though, only cable. Nor is it an error, or something that will change in the future.
     
  10. MickeS

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    I use a Series 3 (the "original", not TiVoHD) for OTA only. It runs like clockwork. I would not want to replace it with a PC.
     
  11. Puppy76

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    Well, everything I've read on here complains of all those issues, that it just doesn't work as reliably as Series 2. When I've asked if things are straightened out yet, I either get no response, or tons more complaints along those lines.

    I actually had an S3 last year briefly, but it didn't work right so I sent it back.
     
  12. Adam1115

    Adam1115 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    My series 3 has been just as reliable as my series 2, and much faster.
     
  13. Puppy76

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    How are it's transfers to PC?
     
  14. friske44

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    I'm fairly new to the TiVo world. I have a Humax DVD burner series 2 TiVo that I just subscribed. I am able to use it through the Insignia® - Digital-to-Analog Converter (Model NS-DXA1) on the IR code 10075 A. In order to change channels I programed only the .1 subchannels of each station (4.1, 5.1, 7.1, ect...). Here's a problem I just discovered though....

    If I'm on the channel I'm going to record and it starts recording, it switches
    into the next SUBchannel. Example: On channel 13 last night (13.1)
    subchannel. At 8pm for American Idol it switched it to 13.2 (fox
    weather). After 4 minutes of recording I checked and changed it thank
    God. So I went to watch a recorded show on Tivo and then at 9pm it
    switched back to 13.2 instead of starting to record Hell's Kitchen which
    was on the same channel at 9pm. I don't have the subchannels available when flipping through the up and down buttons, but I do know you can still
    punch them in through the key pad.

    Anyone else have this problem?? Is there a way to completely take off the extra subchannels off my Insignia converter box so the tivo doesn't get confused?

    My exact tivo is a TiVo Series2 40-Hour DVR DVD Recorder by Humax 071606 DVD RECORDER W/ TI by Humax 071606 DVD RECORDER W/ TI. Tivo says that if it is a 649 (Dual Tuner) or has a 542 prefix that the new software won't work with it? How do I know if mine is a 649 Dual tuner or has a 542 prefix?

    Thanks to anybody who might have some of these answers. Again, I'm pretty new with all this stuff.
     
  15. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Does your Tivo have two tuners? - No. Then it's not a dual tuner
    Does your tivo model number begin with 542? - No. Then it's not a 542
     
  16. CuriousMark

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    Your TiVo is a 595. As of yet, the software you were told about does not exist. You are using a workaround that will not be needed once software becomes available. At that point, your problem will probably disappear.

    Last I heard, reading posts here, was that TiVo was still in the thinking stages on this subject and had not announced whether or not they were going to actually provide any software for this. Has that changed? [Edit] Ah yes it did, as posted in #294 above. Cool![/Edit]
     
  17. nirisahn

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    OK. I read the link in post #294. Basically, nothing's changed. The S2DT will no longer be a dual tuner after the change because the second tuner will never work with the digital signal or the converter box. I have cable on both of my tivos, so I'm losing the ability to record one signal stream.

    My computer has the ability to record a digital tv signal, so I guess I better start experimenting with that!
     
  18. Puppy76

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    You're not losing anything. The dual tuner model isn't affected by this change at all, and won't receive this update.

    The only reason it would only be able to record from one source is if your cable company requires you to use a converter box and shuts off traditional cable (which has nothing at all to do with the NTSC shutoff coming next year).
     
  19. nirisahn

    nirisahn Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    But the second input is analog only and cannot control a box to change channels. So, unless my cable company chooses to continue carrying an analog signal, I can't use the second input. Unless there's something I'm not understanding about the way an S2DT works?
     
  20. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    Right, but that has nothing at all to do with the shut off next year (what this thread is about in other words). You should be able to continue using both tuners for quite a while longer.
     

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