How-To Upgrade your TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by hinsdale, Dec 21, 2001.

  1. Jan 1, 2003 #521 of 1590
    Joe Schmuck

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    I was just wondering what I would have to do to create my own Bootable MFS Tools CDROM however with my TiVo.bak file included.

    I was looking at the contents of the MFSTools CDROM and it seams to have files that look like I could create this new CDROM I'm desiring.

    TIA,

    Joe
     
  2. Jan 3, 2003 #522 of 1590
    LENBO

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    Another successful upgrade! This one was performed on a AT&T TCD 130040 unit. I added a 120 gb WDC drive. Followed the instructions to a tee. I used the MFS 2.0 boot CD burned as an ISO image.

    My biggest problem was becoming reacquainted with my PC's IDE configurations. (OS is WinME. I have two IDE hard drives with two partitions each, one IDE CD-ROM, one SCSI CD-RW...lotsa cables.) I also had to replace my TiVo's IDE cable (the existing cable only had one connection) and power connector (I purchased a new 'y' adapter from Radio Shack for $4.59). Total time was around three hours - most of which was taken up by my reading and re-reading. Instructions are detailed and thorough.

    MFS Tools reported a gain of 136 hours for a new combined total of 175 hours. Awesome. Puzzling though...TiVo reports the total capacity as 'variable - 196 hours'. Whatever. Thank you!
     
  3. Jan 4, 2003 #523 of 1590
    gstrysky

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    Dear Hinsdale,

    I used your procedure to upgrade my Brand New Hughes HDVR2 to an 80 GB Seagate Barracuda drive, Model ST380021QA, which is billed as an almost silent drive. The Maxtor drive was torturing me with its loud high pitched whine, so reducing noise was my priority. I thought, for a few minutes, that something was wrong- upgrades aren't supposed to go so smoothly. I was kind of stunned. After starting up the HDVR2 with the new drive, I just started surfing Direct tv making sure every feature worked. Your directions were perfect. The next project is to quiet down the cooling fan!
    Thank you,

    gstrysky
     
  4. Jan 5, 2003 #524 of 1590
    HeatherA

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    Thank you for your step by step instructions. My DH upgraded my 14 hour TiVo to 109 hours this morning in less than 2 hours. Your instructions saved us about $300! I was going to upgrade to an 80 hour box, but we decided to try this route first.

    Now DH and the kids have my old 30 hour unit and I'm pleased as punch over my expanded capacity!

    Thanks again!
     
  5. Jan 6, 2003 #525 of 1590
    PhredC

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    My upgrade to a single 120 gig drive seems to have worked well except for one remaining issue. It has been creating the index for about 12 hours now. I am getting concerned since this is 50% longer than the 4 to 8 hours they estimate. It doesn't seem that the program guide should take longer to index with the new drive since that index shouldn't care about the drive size. The drive is also a 7200 rpm so it seems it should index faster.

    Any thoughts? When I returned from the holidays the machine was rebooting every few minutes. That is what led me to trade out the drive. Then the reboot seemed to be related to dialing in to the mother ship. Rebooted almost every time I tried to initiate a call using 3 different dial-in numbers in case it was some strange server issue.
     
  6. Jan 6, 2003 #526 of 1590
    Big-bill3

    Big-bill3 Thomson Tivo

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    My Thomson TIVO has a pair of 30Gb Quantums.
    I'm looking at the Samsumg 120Gb unit.
    Can I take the image from the pair of Quantums on to the 120Gb unit or do I need to keep two drives? In which case do I just replace one 30Gb unit with the 120. If so does it matter which one I upgrade, A or B?

    Also with a Compaq Deskpro 4000 (PII-300) will I hit problems with the BIOS not recognising the 120GB drive?
     
  7. Jan 6, 2003 #527 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    Assuming you don't want to keep your recordings, you'd just backup your current drives and restore that backup to the 120. If your TiVo was full when it took the ugprade to 2.5.5, the drives won't 'divorce', but you should find your backup works on the big drive.

    If you want to keep your recordings, do an MFS Tools pipe to copy the recordings:

    mfsbackup -Tao - /dev/hda /dev/hdb | mfsrestore -s 127 -xpi - /dev/hdc

    You could also use dd to copy the B drive (which will be a 15Gb drive, BTW) and then expand with mfsadd. But the pipe is probably better.

    The Compaq should be OK. You might find that your C: drive isn't hda1. Look at the partition table for primary master to be printed at boot, which will tell you which partitions are valid. My guess is it'll be hda2.
     
  8. Jan 7, 2003 #528 of 1590
    Big-bill3

    Big-bill3 Thomson Tivo

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    Thanks,

    BTW from what I can see both drives are identical at 30Gb
     
  9. Jan 7, 2003 #529 of 1590
    Big-bill3

    Big-bill3 Thomson Tivo

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    Sorry for the additional post.

    One of the things I'm not clear about is, when I do an mfsbackup of drive a and drive b, where does this backup get saved and how much disk space do I need?

    Am I correct in assuming that this line:
    mfsbackup -Tao - /dev/hda /dev/hdb | mfsrestore -s 127 -xpi - /dev/hdc
    is two commands - one for backup and the other to restore? Sorry to be thick but I know little of linux.

    Could you expand on the bit about partitions. I'm not sure I fully understand.
     
  10. Jan 8, 2003 #530 of 1590
    MikeSTL

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    hi, im wondering if there is a tivo.bak file out there. so you dont half to make a backup img.


    Thanks,
    Mike
     
  11. Jan 8, 2003 #531 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    bill: If you want to make a backup file you have to follow Hinsdale's instructions. A UK backup should be about 360Mb.
    The point about partitions was that Hinsdale assumes that your C: drive is the first partition on your hard drive. Compaq tend to do some things a little differently and your C: drive is probably the second partition. So you type hda2 where Hinsdale has hda1.

    The command I gave you is a 'pipe' (the | character in the middle is called pipe and directs the output of the command on the left to the input of the command on the right). This allows you to copy the recordings directly from the old drives to the new one.

    Mike: Yes, you can find TiVo backups on the net.
     
  12. Jan 8, 2003 #532 of 1590
    Dadorama

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    Murrells...
    I think I have this figured out, but thought I would run it by the smart ones on the board.

    I plan tonight to transfer all of my recordings, etc., from my Series 2 60 hour / 60 GB hard drive to a new Western Digital 120 GB hard drive. I have been extensively through new Hinsdale (the last updated version of December 16, 2002) and think I have most of it figured out. I have three questions, though.

    1) Do the new Hinsdale instructions effectively cover the swap file issue? I think I know the answer is yes, but "no dumb questions"....

    2) I have the whole process pretty much figured out. I am confident that I can get to the stage that I have all my stuff transfered over to the 120 GB drive. I have looked in my computer at home and know that the old 60 GB Tivo drive will be located on Secondary Slave (drive d in linux-speak) and my new 120 GB will be on Primary Slave (drive b in linux-speak). What I then want to do is go ahead and expand both drives so that the new 120 GB drive will be my TIVO A drive (with an expanded swap file, I presume) and the old 60 GB will be the Tivo B drive, giving me a total of 180 GB of storage space over the two drives.

    Is the correct command going to be:

    mfsadd -x /dev/hdb /dev/hdd


    Apparently the mfsadd with the -x treats the first listed drive as the main drive (the new A drive in the Tivo) and the second listed drive as the B drive in the Tivo.

    Asked another way, will this command make my 120 GB the Tivo A drive with the upgraded swap space and the old 60 GB the Tivo B drive?

    3) Since I will have backed up the image to a tivo.bak file on my computer hard drive and tested it in the Tivo, is there any reason NOT to use the 60 GB drive right away? If I understand correctly, if the 120 GB drive fails, I can restore the tivo.bak file to the old 60 GB drive, drop it in the Tivo and I will be good to go (without my recordings, of course). Any reason to wait before I put the 60 GB to work?

    Hope none of these are TOO dumb to ask. Thanks in advance for any and all help.

    Dadorama
     
  13. Jan 8, 2003 #533 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    Sounds OK to me.
     
  14. Jan 9, 2003 #534 of 1590
    bigblock66vette

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    Wow, I opened the box, read the 1 page paper , and opened up my Philips TIVO DSR6000 and bada-Bing, I now have 149 hrs. How cool is that? Anyway, Just another satisfied customer! Thanks

    Will Robbins :up: :up: :up:
     
  15. Jan 9, 2003 #535 of 1590
    mayweb

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    My Samsung 120 MB drive is on its way and I am planning my upgrade to my HDVR2. I have a question with regards to the Host PC that I will be using for copying the drives. The Primary drive is one physical drive, but I have it divided into

    primary
    extended with
    logical 1
    logical 2

    The LINUX boot CD shows them as hda: hda1 hda2 <hda5 hda6>

    The question is: When following your instuctions, do I use "hda" or "hda1" where called for in the copy steps. The OS is Windows ME and the format is FAT32. I made the assumption that Hda1 was the OS space primary partition --- not sure if thats correct as I am still learning LINUX syntax.
     
  16. Jan 9, 2003 #536 of 1590
    N27EZ

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    I purchased a 120 gig drive for my new Hughes Direct Tive. Picked it up in Hinsdale. Installed it and it worked perfectly on a new unit right out of the box. Best of there is NO NOISE from the Maxtor drive. Dispite warnings that have been posted.
     
  17. Jan 10, 2003 #537 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    'hda' is a mis-print in an out-of-date (but very popular) version of Hinsdale. I recommend you work from a current copy of New Hinsdale.

    Assuming it's formatted as FAT, hda1 will be your C: drive. hda2 is an extended partition and won't be mountable. hda5 and hda6 should mount if you're short of space on the C: drive.
     
  18. Jan 10, 2003 #538 of 1590
    Dadorama

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    Murrells...
    Two nights ago (per my earlier post, see about six posts above) I swapped my 60 GB hard drive over to a new 120 GB hard drive, saving recordings. I only have a PII 300 mz computer at home, but the copying process only took about an hour and 45 minutes. Very pleased there, I thought it would be more along the lines of 10 hours from what the Hinsdale docs warn about.

    Unfortunately, I did not have a Y connector for my power supply (actually I did pick one up, but the helpful salesman at my local computer store gave me one with a wrong connector on it...) so I did not expand back over to the 60 GB drive again.

    Picked up the RIGHT Y connector yesterday and expanded onto the 60 GB drive, now have right at 220 hours at basic with the 120+60 setup. Temp looks stable at about 41C which is about where it was before any upgrades.

    I cannot say enough about how easy it was to use the MFS tools. The hardest part was all the jumper resetting and multiple connect/reconnect processes that I went through, but I followed New Hinsdale to the letter, including testing my backup image and all that, which certainly added to the re-jumpering etc. process.

    What I found particularly useful for me was that before I started doing anything, I went through New Hinsdale and cut and pasted out into Word the parts that pertained to my upgrade, which shortened the 20 page document down to about six pages total, which included all explanations relevant to my particular upgrade. I then went through the Word document and got all my hard disk settings adjusted to the way I was going to hook up the hard drives to my computer. This made it that much simpler once I actually started hooking up and jumpering and the like.

    I have not seen this particular idea mentioned in the threads. It was very helpful to me to do it this way and I would suggest it to anyone who is upgrading their drives.

    Many thanks to all who participated in creating these tools and instructions and to all the participants on this thread to allow me to do this great upgrade.
     
  19. Jan 11, 2003 #539 of 1590
    hinsdale

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    Not sure what mis-print you are refering to robert? I believe its always read hda1 in all of my How-Tos.
     
  20. Jan 11, 2003 #540 of 1590
    PhredC

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    Your instructions on this forum definitely say hda1. The ones for the CD download say hda. I hda the same problem until I realized it.
     

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