How-To Upgrade your TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by hinsdale, Dec 21, 2001.

  1. Dec 20, 2002 #501 of 1590
    edrock200

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    Once again, Thank you!

    Used your instructions a second time for the the HDVR2 (used them on the Hughes series 1 combo box the first time) without a problem!
     
  2. Dec 21, 2002 #502 of 1590
    Jim Wiese

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    All,
    I just wanted to post my thanks to all who support this forum, as well as my upgrade notes. First off, kudos to all of you in this forum. Secondly, here are my notes about upgrading the AT&T Series2 Tivo TCD230040 (40 Gb model).

    1) I purchased the Tivo using the AT&T link for $199 ($20 Shipping, $20 handling) - $50 rebate = $244 + tax. I origionally purchased this because I thought that it would be great to use the serial port to change channels, then realized that my ATT box didn't have a serial port (General Instuments).

    2) I purchased the 80Gb Western Digital WD800BB to expand the Tivo, and it is very quiet and the heat is quite low ~ 19C. I did the most research on this and for the price vs. size, I thought it was great (~$107 )here ). The closest competitor was the barracuda, but it was reported to be realitivley loud.

    3) After thinking about it for a while, I purchased the hard drive bracket from 9thTee , which was a life & time saver. (Kudos to Mark for some great response time and tech support)

    4) I had quite a quandry over how to connect the Tivo to the out side world. I researched the options for this quite a bit because the phone jack was no where near my Tivo. After realizing that the ethernet over power line option was ~$160 and the remote phone jack was ~$64, I purchased the Linksys 100M USB to ethernet adapter and the Linksys WET11 wireless bridge to my home network. This combo was ~$140 and I thought it would be best for future investment opporunities (ie sharing videos with Tivo).

    5) I burned 2 CDs with Nero and some other shareware program, but couldn't get the MFS tools 2.0 to boot off of the CD, so I went the boot floppy route instead. As well, and important note, if your hard disk has a large about of *volitle* cache, use the "sync" command before rebooting, it took be 2 hours to figure this out. This will basically synchronize the cache with the disk (I thought this was only pertinent with SCSI, but I was wrong).

    6) Don't try to use NTFS, even in read mode, just format partition on your disk with FAT32.

    7) Use #401 as the dialing code to dial over the 'net.

    8) Plan for about 6 hours to upgrade the first time, and don't forget to print out everything you need before disassembling your machine. Read all of the documentation first, espesically the one about *not* booting into Windows XP with the Tivo disk in (barely read this one in time).

    9) 40 Gb + 80 Gb expansion disk gave 132 hours total.

    10) Someone should build a windows GUI to take care of the upgrade process (not to upset any Linux bigots), just to make the process easier.

    Lastly, I hope this helps someone upgrade their next Tivo...

    -Jim
     
  3. Dec 22, 2002 #503 of 1590
    lifetap

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    I'm sorry if this was addressed already.. I read thru several pages and haven't found anything about it.

    Is there a reason the Tivo drives are set on different controllers? Wouldn't it be easier to set up the system drive on primary master with the cdrom drive as primary slave? That would leave open the secondary primary and secondary for Tivo drives.

    I guess I'm asking if there is a reason the above wouldn't work. I have a system with win98 I plan on using, currently the setup is everything on primary controller. Was leaving secondary for expansion if needed but could connect two 120gb there to upgrade..

    Hope that made some sort of sense...
     
  4. Dec 22, 2002 #504 of 1590
    Knouse

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    When I did my upgrade, my Dell had hard drives with W98 on primary master and W2K on primary slave, a CD-ROM as secondary master and a ZIP on secondary slave. I wondered why the instructions called for the CD-ROM as secondary slave. What does Hinsdale have as his secondary master? In any case I printed out the instructions, highlighted the parts that pertained to my setup and changed the drive references to put the CD-ROM as secondary master.
     
  5. Dec 22, 2002 #505 of 1590
    Leeb

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    It is my understanding that as long as the devices are jumpered correctly that it doesn't matter where they are set in the IDE chain... master, slave/ primary, secondary, etc.

    With the devices configured exactly as hinsdale recommends then your command lines are exactly as written in his instructions... no need to convert them for your device configuration and risk errors.
     
  6. Dec 22, 2002 #506 of 1590
    lifetap

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    OK, Thanks guys. Thats what I thought.. Just wanted to make sure. Wife giving me my gift tonight, will be upgrading it about 5 minutes after. TCD230040, replacing with a 120gb...
     
  7. Dec 22, 2002 #507 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    Be aware that most TiVo boot disks byteswap primary slave and both drives on the secondary bus, but not primary master. You therefore can't attach a TiVo drive to primary master. This applies to most TiVo hacks, but not upgrades.

    If you're using MFS Tools 2.0 to upgrade, no disks will be byteswapped, so it doesn't matter how you connect your drives.
     
  8. Dec 24, 2002 #508 of 1590
    lifetap

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    Well,

    The upgrade went flawlessly. Powered up the system.. looked well so opened the case... Two things I noticed was that the HD mounting bracket was loose and that the power supply board was cracked around one of the standoffs. This is interesting because the system arrived in a second box that had no damage and the nice orange tivo box looked great as well. Wondering if quality control is slipping there.

    Went with a backup and restore/expand, took about 5 minutes total time. The mfsrestore claimed I now have 122 hours. Currently the unit is dialed in downloading the first program guide so I can't verify on the unit.. Will give it a try tomorrow for the Farscape marithon on Sci-Fi..
     
  9. Dec 24, 2002 #509 of 1590
    Joe Schmuck

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    While converting my TiVo Series 2 80 hour DVR I ran into a few problems. I did overcome these but would like to know the proper solution.

    When booting the MSF 2.0 tools (msftools2noj.iso), I was unable to use the "Shift + Page Up" to view the bootup information. The instructions tell you this is possible and I should verify the drive capacities were proper. To overcome this problem I just skipped it and hoped it was working. My TiVo drive was a WD Performer so I figured it wasn't locked. I was right because I was able to recover the data and create my TiVo backup.

    My next problem was I was installing a new Samsung 120Gig hard drive. This item is so quiet that I didn't think I plugged it in. I need another one of these. I was going to reuse my original TiVo drive as a secondary drive. Here's the rationale and if I'm wrong, I hope someone points it out.

    1. The docs say that I cannot restore my original backup to my drive and use the -s 127 parameter. It won't fit. Well this presumably causes a problem when I add the 120 gig HD with the rebuilding process should the GSOD occur.
    2. I restored my image to the 120 Gig HD with the -s -127 parameter.
    3. I attempted to use the TiVo drive as my secondary HD but kept getting errors from mfsadd saying the drive was too small. I don't know what happened here.
    4. After fooling around with it for too long, I replaced the "B" drive with a new 60 Gig HD I had laying around. All worked fine.
    5. Installed the drives and all works.

    So, my problems were the original TiVo drive was unusable. Could it have been locked? Maybe it was sun spots? I understood the docs to say that the drives would be erased by mfstools when performing the operations.

    As for the mounting of the "B" drive, I had to manufacture a mount. It was easy but it took me about 3 hours with a nibble tool and 1 minute with a drill. I used a Gateway 3.5" drive bay mount. This is a removable carrage and I cut it to form. If you have something like this and a nibble tool or appropriate tool for cutting metal, I recommend this. Otherwise I would opt for the installation kit from 9th tee. The pictures there gave me the idea for the mounting. It was very easy but I did have one side-effect, my finger is sore from rubbing up against the nibble tool.

    Now if someone could give me feedback as to what I did wrong for the "SHIFT + Page UP" and what I need to do to install my 80 Gig TiVo original, I would love it.

    Also, the Belkin USB - Ethernet adapter works great. No problems what so ever.

    Joe
     
  10. Dec 26, 2002 #510 of 1590
    josquin941

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    I've read through the latter part of this thread, and don't think I've seen this particular Q asked.

    I'm upgrading a Model 230 from a single 40 gb A drive to a single 120 gb A. Using MFSTools 2 (which is fantastic!) and the new how-to, I ran the backup, ran the restore, and ran the add. When I insert the 120 gb drive, the TiVo will boot, but after it boots, it sits at a black screen. If I hit the TiVo buttion, I'll get the TiVo Central menu, but there will be no green background and the TiVo won't respond to keypresses. (However, if I let it sit long enough, it will go back to live TV, and I can repeat the whole process over again.)

    With the original drive inserted, everything works fine... including a nice animation that plays after the TiVo has booted. I assume that the big difference between the two drives is that the animations (and maybe the screen backgrounds?) aren't being copied, or maybe they're copied but corrupted?

    In reading this thread, I've seen a few references to a mfsrestore -zpi command, *not* mfsrestore -bzpi. Perhaps I'm byteswapping when I shouldn't be, and that's causing some corruption? I'm not really sure; however, according to my reading of the how-to, I should be using -bzpi:

    mfsrestore -s127 -bzpi ... (Any Series 2 units)

    Next, I think I'll try restoring without the -b, and/or doing a piped backup/restore with -Tao (to get the video files too). Since there's nothing on the drives, this should be fairly quick, I would imagine.

    Anyone have any thoughts? My dog is getting a little confused watching me traipse up and down the stairs, gingerly carrying some box full of electronics, singing "If I Only Had A Brain".

    Thx in advance!
     
  11. Dec 26, 2002 #511 of 1590
    josquin941

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    Never mind... a little -Ta, a little pipe, and all was well in the world. The TiVo is happily humming away.

    Is it a bug that TiVo (basically) hangs when backed up and restored using files and no -Ta option? I tried restoring in both byte swapped and non-byte swapped modes, but neither worked.
     
  12. Dec 26, 2002 #512 of 1590
    JMaceW

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    Thanks a million for making this upgrade so easy. :D

    I purchased a Western Digital 120 GB drive at CC for $150 (after rebate). I upgraded my Phillips TiVo 30 hour unit. It now shows that it has 180 hours and 36 min (Basic Quality). This is freakin great. Now I can keep my 24 shows and Simpsons forever. (well maybe at least until the DVD's come out)


    Thank you,

    Jason (Happy TiVo owner) :up: :up: to eveyone that helped put this stuff together
     
  13. Dec 28, 2002 #513 of 1590
    Big-bill3

    Big-bill3 Thomson Tivo

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    I'm planning to do an upgrade of a Thomson Tivo (in UK)
    and have been reading the How to document.
    At the end there is a Section Headed "I have Windows NT/2000/XP:"

    Sorry I don't understand the significance of this section.

    These special instructions for XP et al - which section in the "how to " document do they refer to?

    I'm trying to get to a situation where I understand the steps I have to take. The family will cane me if I get it wrong, especially as TIVOs are no longer available in UK.

    Is there anyone in UK who has done this successfully (or not) who I may talk to?

    (john.horsley@iee.org)
     
  14. Dec 28, 2002 #514 of 1590
    Leeb

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    In a nutshell it is telling you not to boot into Windows XP while Tivo drives (new or old) are connected to your computer. You want to always boot from the MFSTools CD-Rom when you've got the Tivo drives connected.
     
  15. Dec 28, 2002 #515 of 1590
    mdh

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    Thanks for the guide. I used it to upgrade my AT&Tivo. I had previously gone from 40 to 80 hours using a replacement A drive from you (after my original A had failed). My goal was to make a backup and do a preserve recordings upgrade to a 120G drive (and keep the 80 as a spare)

    The backup went fine, but when I tried to use the Upgrade #3 copy it failed with an error message that the backup target was not large enough for the entire backup by itself. This is a confusing message when going to a larger destination drive! By doing the copy without the -x and then mfsadd I found the real problem is there is no partition table space to add the extra 40G (since the drive had been expanded once already there were 15 partitions in use).
    Doing the full copy forces the MFs tools to keep the original partitions the same sizes, so it can't do the expanation that it does in a restore that does not have recordings.

    Since the mfsrestore error message is a bit confusing you may want to add a couple of lines to your How-to to Say that doing the Upgrade #3 from an already upgraded drive may not work. (mfsinfo does not help since it says the drive can be upgraded three more times and does not point out that the other three mfs pairs have to be on another drive.)

    Thanks
    Mark
     
  16. Dec 28, 2002 #516 of 1590
    dark strider

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    They refer to the note warning you not to boot into these OSs with your tivo drives attached and powered up, as the signature bytes on the tivo drive might get screwed up, and then you're back to a re-formatting of the drive and restoring from the backup you *surely* have..

    go for it. The family will get over it...<smile>
     
  17. Dec 30, 2002 #517 of 1590
    mcarlton

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    Thanks for the excellent How-to. Third successful upgrade done this weekend.
    Mike
     
  18. Dec 30, 2002 #518 of 1590
    Joe Schmuck

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    Well my upgrade lasted about 5 days before the Western Digital drive died. This is a drive I just purchased 2 months before and had never been used. The model is: WD600AB-00BVA0. It's only a 60 Gig model but with it paired up with the new Samsung 120 it worked fine, well until yesterday.

    "CLICK CLICK CLICK" that's the noise the drive was making. It was awful!

    Maybe it's just the drive just had to be the 2% that fails, I don't know, but I do know the drive was much louder than the Samsung drive.

    Solution: I did what I didn't want to do, I placed my original TiVo 80 gig drive into the until as the "B" drive. I'm in a hurry since I'm leaving the country for 2 months and I need the TiVo to record a few programs I just must have.

    Otherwise, my TiVo works great again.
     
  19. Dec 31, 2002 #519 of 1590
    TiVoDan

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    I am planning to upgrade to my Sony SVR 2000 to use a single 120 GB HD, and keep my original drive as a Backup. I don't care about saving previously recorded programs. What seems like the most obvious way to do it isn't in Hinsdales HOWTO:


    1. Create MFS Tools boot cd.
    2. Remove Tivo drive and insert in PC ( /dev/hda)
    3. Insert new 120 GB drive in PC ( /dev/hdc)
    4. copy files using "mfsbackup -so - /dev/hda | mfsrestore -s 127 -xzpi - /dev/hdc"
    5. Remove original Tivo drive from PC and put away as backup
    6. Remove new 120 GBdrive from PC and put place in Tivo.


    I'm wondering why this is not the recomended procedure in the Howto, and if there is any reason to do anything differently?
     
  20. Jan 1, 2003 #520 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    I think he wants you to make and test a backup file. I would say that's a good idea, but it's not essential to the upgrade.

    Note that the filename (in this case - (output to stdout)) is part of -o, so -os will produce an error. -o and -i have to go at the end of their groups, so -so <filename> will work.
     

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