How-To Upgrade your TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by hinsdale, Dec 21, 2001.

  1. Dec 8, 2002 #481 of 1590
    tornado

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    Thanks. I hadn't looked at the New How-To until today -- I didn't realize that we could preserve recordings until I did!

    So should I still make a backup first or just dd the B drive? (It's a Philips 30/15) I'm paranoid enough to make the backup, but I'm wondering if it's necessary.
     
  2. Dec 8, 2002 #482 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    The backup is not a part of this upgrade process.

    If you don't have one already, taking a backup is a good idea.
     
  3. Dec 9, 2002 #483 of 1590
    ronsch

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    I picked up a pair of Western Digital 120's at CC yesterday. Price was $129.99 each but after I asked I got a $30 rebate certificate for each one. Apparently the $129.99 is the regular price for the 5400 speed 120GB models now.
     
  4. Dec 11, 2002 #484 of 1590
    jcase

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    I have a T60 that has 3.1 and has never been hacked.

    Is there anything special that I need to do other then follow Hinsdale's how-to to increase the drive sizes?

    Also, I would like to run turbonet and tivoweb are there specific instructions for 3.1?

    I have already hacked a standalone so I have enough experience to be dangerous :D

    Thanks in advance to the extremely knowledgeable people that make working with the TiVo such a pleasure.
     
  5. Dec 11, 2002 #485 of 1590
    gadgetgrrll

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    I just updated my new HDVR2 and wanted to thank you for the great documentation on the process. It was a piece o' cake!

    Kathy
     
  6. Dec 12, 2002 #486 of 1590
    gordonph

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    Hi Folks,
    I hope this has not been reported. I followed the new how to directions. I believe I found a small typo in a command line. It is about half way through the doc under section 8, in the part about restoring and expanding at the same time. The line reads...
    mfsrestore -s 127 -xzpi /mnt/dos/tivo.bak /dev/hdc (restore/expand to single new larger A drive)

    I believe it should be /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hdc
    yes, very small, but it may screw someone up.

    I'm still in the middle of my upgrade. I hope to add a new post tomorrow with a yipee!!!

    thanks,
    gordon
     
  7. Dec 17, 2002 #487 of 1590
    OneReality

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    I have a Sony SAT-T60 with a single drive that is stuck on the Welcome start up screen. After reading the posts on this forum it sounds like the hard drive is toast. Can you recommend a way to test this theory?

    I have seen several references to upgrading from a working hard drive to newer larger drives, is it possible to simply replace the failed hard drive and add the missing software? Is there a guide for this. I do not need to retain any of the information on the old drive.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Chris
     
  8. Dec 17, 2002 #488 of 1590
    hinsdale

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    That's not a typo, see the instructed drive placement above:

    With your new upgrade TiVo A drive as Secondary Master and new upgrade TiVo B drive (if any) as Primary Slave, you can use the following command to restore your Mfs Tools backup image to your new large upgrade drive(s) and expand them at the same time:
     
  9. Dec 17, 2002 #489 of 1590
    ronsch

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    Robert,

    Not to beat this to death, but in regard to the issue in post #477, since I've already upgraded once using the original MFS Tools, wouldn't I now have a 13 partition Tivo assuming I started with an 11 and have to create 14 for the new swap partition and then get 15/16 by using mfsadd?
     
  10. Dec 17, 2002 #490 of 1590
    RyanRubenstein

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    I have 2 tivos. One of them is not booting. I tried to duplicate the A drive of the working unit into the non booting drive using dd.

    After reading some posts do I need a "virgin image"

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  11. Dec 18, 2002 #491 of 1590
    Robert S

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    ronsch: Yes, that's what I'm thinking.
     
  12. Dec 19, 2002 #492 of 1590
    Deven

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    If they're both SAT-T60 models, you might be able to do this. If they're not the same model, it won't work. Even if the model is the same, you'd need a similar hard drive configuration -- the destination unit should have a hard drive at least as large (in exact number of sectors) as the source unit. If the source unit is a dual-drive system, the same would apply to the second drive. If the hard drive configuration is identical (same exact model numbers) and the TiVo model is identical, I think this may work, or at least I think I've heard of people doing such a thing successfully. (If this works, "dd" would also copy the recordings.)

    If the destination hard drive(s) is/are larger, you should probably use "mfsbackup" and "mfsrestore" from the mfstools 2.0 package, so that you can use the full space of the new drive(s). These tools can either copy the recordings or omit them, making a small backup that isn't required to be a "virgin" system. (When I backed up my SAT-T60, I think the backup image was about 1.3 GB, but it was able to compress down to less than 250 MB!)
     
  13. Dec 19, 2002 #493 of 1590
    pdvale

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    Thanks for creating the upgrade documentation. The step by step process was very good and I was able to upgrade from 35 to 149hrs. :D

    Thanks,
    Paul.
     
  14. Dec 19, 2002 #494 of 1590
    ronsch

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    Robert,

    Could you review and give any feedback you like, especially on Step 11?
    I don't understand the need to mess with partition 9 and what effect renumbering it to 15 will have when mfsadd tries to create two new partitions?

    Proposed Tivo Upgrade Procedure

    1. Create MFS Tools boot cd.

    2. Find last years qunlock floppy or create a new one.

    3. Remove Tivo drives and insert in PC: Hinsdale Steps 5 & 6

    4. Create divorced backup using Hinsdale Step 7 Option #2
    mfsbackup –6so /mnt/dos/tivo.bak /dev/hdc/ /dev/hdb

    5. Remove original Tivo drives and put in one of new 120gb drives.

    6. Restore backup to test as in Hinsdale Step 8: mfsrestore –zpi /mnt/dos/tivo.bak /dev/hdb Larger swap shouldn’t be required.

    7. Place Original B and other new large drive in PC: Hinsdale Step 10, Upgrade Configuration #5, Option #2 - dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hdb bs=1024k

    8. Test backup image: Hinsdale Step 9 while first dd is running.

    9. Place Original A and tested new large drive in PC: Hinsdale Step 10, Upgrade Configuration #5, Option #2 - dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hdb bs=1024k

    10. Remove original A drive from PC. Replace with new B drive. Boot again using byteswapping: vmlnodma hdx=bswap where x is wherever new A drive is located and y is where new B drive is located.

    11. Create new swap partition:
    pdisk /dev/hdx
    C
    14p
    128m
    r 14 8
    r 9 15
    w
    y
    q
    mkswap –v0 /dev/hdx8
    mfsadd –x /dev/hdx /dev/hdy

    12. Install new drives in Tivo

    13. Celebrate!
     
  15. Dec 19, 2002 #495 of 1590
    Robert S

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    It would be pretty obvious as you do it - you can press p at any time to print the partition table and see what's going on, and you're not committed to anything until you write the changes out.

    r 14 8 moves partition 14 (the new one) down to number 8, this increases the numbers of all the higher partitions, so the old swap partition is now 9 and so on. r 9 15 pushes the old partition up to the end of the list, allowing the other partitions to drop back to their correct positions. You can just delete the old swap partition, but some people like to format it as Ext2 and use it for hacking.

    Do let me know if this isn't what happens when you try it - I haven't had a lot of feedback since I wrote that up (it's a fairly specialised hack), just a few people saying it worked for them.
     
  16. Dec 19, 2002 #496 of 1590
    ronsch

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    I see said the blind man. So mfsadd then overwrites the old swap partition and 16 when adding the new app/media pair....
     
  17. Dec 19, 2002 #497 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    I think you'll find the old swap partition actually ends up as number 14 (as I say, let me know what happens). If it does become number 15, then r 15 14 should move it down, or you can just delete it.

    This has never been enough of an issue before!
     
  18. Dec 19, 2002 #498 of 1590
    edrock200

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    Hey Hinsdale,
    Do you know if an image from one hdvr2 can be restored onto another using the clear and delete option after the restore?
    thanks in advance,
    -Ed
     
  19. Dec 20, 2002 #499 of 1590
    ronsch

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    Robert,

    Will do. I suspect if it left the old swap as 15 then mfsadd might have a problem trying to use 14/16 as a new app/media pair. If that does happen I will do the additional renumber to move it back to 14 before trying the mfsadd.
     
  20. Dec 20, 2002 #500 of 1590
    hinsdale

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    yes
     

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