How-To Upgrade your TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by hinsdale, Dec 21, 2001.

  1. Nov 23, 2002 #461 of 1590
    jonb

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    My 15mo old back-up made with MS tools is vers. 1.5 if I remember right. Is it good practice to repeat the back-up with every new major release. I believe 3.0 is current. In other words, will re-install from ver. 1.5 crash on the first daily call? I have lifetime sub. I can't find an answer to this in the how-to. It probably has been asked many times. Please point me to a link, if you don't want to explain again.
     
  2. Nov 23, 2002 #462 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    Yes, it is a very frequently asked question!

    Your TiVo will upgrade to the current version automatically on its first call.
     
  3. Nov 26, 2002 #463 of 1590
    tonyaldr

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    Hi, Robert. I didn't realize you could use an external modem. Can you point me toward a link that explains how to do that? Also, I'm confused - "just use mfsadd to expand the image on to the other drive?" What image are we talking about? Sorry, but I'm a complete novice and thought that if I had actual TiVo drives that I wouldn't have to do anything fancy to get them to work together.
     
  4. Nov 26, 2002 #464 of 1590
    Riptide

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    I have read through this extensively long thread looking to see if anyone has asked the same question and I apologize if it has been asked / answered already. I believe that I will be using Hinsdale’s Upgrade Configuration #6 to complete the process.

    I have two standalone TiVos that I want to upgrade again. Originally both TiVos first upgrade occurred over two years ago.

    The first TiVo was a 14 hr unit that was upgraded / married with a 60GB Maxtor (B). The original Quantum was then upgraded again with a second 60GB Maxtor making it a 120GB unit. The second TiVo was a 30 hr unit that was upgraded / married with 60GB Western Digital first then a second 60GB Western Digital in a similar fashion to the first TiVo. Both units have run perfectly and I haven’t had any problems. I kept many shows saved on both these units and am wanting to upgrade again in order to get more room.

    Can I put in 120GB Maxtors in place of each of the 60GB drives and keep my shows intact? Will both the 60GB drives actually copy onto just one 120GB drive? Also, the 60GB Maxtor drives are slightly larger than the 60GB Western Digital drives… not sure if that will affect the process. In reading the Hinsdale notes (Upgrade Conf. #6), it appears that I may be able to do this, but it requires that I have four IDE connectors available. Since I would have to disconnect my CD-ROM drive in order to do this, can I extract the files from MFS Tools 2.0 in order to do this? I was planning on using:

    mfsbackup –Tao - /dev/hdc | mfsrestore –s 127 –xpi - /dev/hdb

    so that I could copy the recordings and expand to fill any unused space on the drives in one step. Any suggestions or help is greatly appreciated and if I have left any important details out, just let me know.

    Thanks
     
  5. Nov 27, 2002 #465 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Possibly. The problem is the number of partitions. You're limited to 16 partitions per drive and 6 MFS pairs in total.

    The A drive starts with 11 or 13 partitions and so can only be expanded twice or once (probably twice in your case).

    MFS Tools can shuffle the partitions around to make room, so if you upgrade from 2x60 to 2x120, that should work.

    The command line would be:

    mfsbackup –Tao - /dev/hda /dev/hdb | mfsrestore –s 127 –xpi - /dev/hdc /dev/hdd

    And you'd have to boot off the floppy. Hinsdale contains a link to the MFS Tools 2.0 boot floppy, but you already have it on the MFS Tools 2.0 CD.

    The floppy is the same as the CD except for the unlock code. Your drives shouldn't be locked anyway, but if they are you'll have to boot the CD or use qunlock to unlock them before preparing for the pipe transfer.
     
  6. Nov 28, 2002 #466 of 1590
    ahartman

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    Well, add my name to the list of happily upgraded DSR6k owners.

    Followed Hinsdale's instructions - very easy and very straightforward.

    Many thanks!

    :up: :up: :up: :D
     
  7. Dec 1, 2002 #467 of 1590
    remster

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    Another satisfied customer here (doubly so).

    I don't know if this has been done yet, but I put together some illustration pictures that could be added to the steps... copyright free, with my compliments. A small attempt to give back to the tivo community.


    The pics can be found all in this directory: http://vidalsmonami.hypermart.net/tivo/

    Mounting bracket for the new drive, made out of a very common recycled PC part:
    [​IMG]

    Just add some double side foam tape under it. When putting back into tivo, make sure to position other drive first so you don't stick the new drive in the other drive's footprint... once the tape is stuck, it won't move! The new drive can be removed with the side screws.
    [​IMG]

    How to remove the cover. Kneeling in front of the tivo, push forward with right hand, and push on back of the tivo with curled fingers of left hand, while pushing forward with the palm of the hand.
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    Alternate with the other side, slowly by slowly it'll move.
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    First fastener cut
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    Second fastener cut
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    Discard the fasteners
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    Showing where the 2nd drive will hookup in the tivo.
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    If you don't have Torx wrenches, some allen wrenches can do the trick. It can be very hard to turn the screws, so see the pliers trick below.
    [​IMG]

    And if some screws are really tight, a pair of pliers can definitely make it a lot easier. Just make sure to squeeze real hard (so as not to slip), and move slowly. If you are real careful and patient, you can undo all the screws with pliers and fingers, no torx or allen needed. The pliers are also very useful for pulling safely the ATA cables from the hard drive (a frequent manoeuver) without messing up the cables.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Dec 3, 2002 #468 of 1590
    netmanmc

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    I read through the upgrade doc but just wanted to confirm before buying a drive that 120GB is the largest I can go. Comments?
     
  9. Dec 3, 2002 #469 of 1590
    tivoupgrade

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    This is incorrect. The largest drive that can be used in Series1 TiVo systems is 200GB right now. The largest we use are 180GB drives. The largest you can use without a significant software undertaking (or utilizing our services) would be the first 137GB of any drive larger than that (160GB would be the obvious choice).

    Lou Jacob
    PTVupgrade.COM
     
  10. Dec 3, 2002 #470 of 1590
    elizc

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    I'm considering getting a TiVo and am thinking that an 80-hr is the way to go. But from what I've seen, it's not upgradable. Should I get a 60 hr instead so it can be upgraded?

    elizc
     
  11. Dec 3, 2002 #471 of 1590
    tivoupgrade

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    The 80-hour unit IS upgradable. Its just not so easy to add another drive because the mechanicals aren't set up to easily mount a 2nd drive. You can certainly add a drive using 9thTee's modified brackets (see link below), and you can also replace with a larger drive (up to 160GB, yielding 137GB of space).

    Lou
     
  12. Dec 5, 2002 #472 of 1590
    Riptide

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    Thank you Robert for your guidance on restoring my hard drives. My new hard drives finally arrive last night so I began the pipeline transfer of my first TiVo. I transferred 2 WD 60GB drives to 2 Maxtor 120GB drives using the recommended string and the boot floppy. After hitting the enter button it started up the restore and then I got an error message (at about 0.16% of the restore). I was afraid that it had failed since it seemed hung on the error message then after about 1 minute it continued the restore. It took about 5 hours to do the complete restore and I plugged the new drives into the TiVo and it booted up fine, I quickly ran through some of the screens, checked the new record times, played the beginnings to a couple of shows, set the 30-second skip and programmed a show to record. Everything seems to have worked properly but I am still concerned about the error messages. The following is what I transcribed during the restore (hopefully I wrote it all down correctly… it was late in the evening):

    Scanning source drive. Please wait a moment.
    Source drive size is 15hours.
    -Upgraded to 57 hours
    -Upgraded to 127 hours
    Uncompressed backup size 112473mb
    Starting restore 112473mb
    Uncompressed backup size: 112473mb
    hda: dma_intr: status= 0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
    hda: dma_intr: error= 0x40 { UncorrectableError } LBA sector=702498, sector=702272
    end_request: I/Oerror, dev 03:00 (hda), sector 702272
    hda: dma_intr: status= 0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
    hda: dma_intr: error= 0x40 { UncorrectableError } LBA sector=702498, sector=702274
    Backing up 112473 of 112473mb (100.00%)
    Backup done!
    Restoring 112473 of 112473mb (100.00%)
    Cleaning up restore. Please wait a moment.
    Restore done!
    Adding pair /dev/hdc14- /dev/hdc15
    New estimated standalone size: 202 hours (75 more)
    Adding pair /dev/hdd4- /dev/hdd5
    New estimated standalone size: 277 hours (75 more)
    #

    Should I worry about a failure with my new setup and the error messages? I am planning on doing the same thing to the other TiVo (upgrading a pair of 60GB Maxtors to a pair of 120GB Maxtors) this coming weekend.

    Riptide
     
  13. Dec 5, 2002 #473 of 1590
    Robert S

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    As long as the upgraded TiVo works, I think it'll be OK. Although bad blocks can cause problems, I would expect the copy to be unbootable, or otherwise obviously faulty, so if if it works, I wouldn't worry.

    Normally bad blocks cause MFS Tools or dd to crash, so I guess the sector read OK on the retry.
     
  14. Dec 7, 2002 #474 of 1590
    ronsch

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    I upgraded my Philips HDR31202 Tivo almost a year ago by adding an 80GB drive to the existing Quantum. Now I find it's time to expand some more.

    I am planning on dual 120's and what I was wondering is can I use a combination of Upgrade configuration #6 followed by Upgrade configuration #1 to accomplish Upgrade configuration #5 using only 3 IDE ports? It would save deinstalling and reinstalling either my dvd-rom or cd burner.

    I would just use configuration #5 option 2 but I would feel better with the larger swap file.
     
  15. Dec 7, 2002 #475 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    I can never remember Hinsdales #'s!

    You may not have enough partitions on the A drive to do it that way, although you probably have an 11 partition A drive, so it should work. Boot a byteswapping boot disk and check.

    The alternative, probably preferable, would be to use dd to clone the drives on to their replacements. That does prevent you from increasing swap with MFS Tools, although you could use the manual swap technique from the third post in the Fixes thread.
     
  16. Dec 8, 2002 #476 of 1590
    ronsch

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    Thanks very much Robert!

    Sorry about throwing around the configuration numbers like that but I figured it was the best way to avoid any confusion about what I was trying to accomplish.

    I like your solution even better than mine. It will allow me to keep both the dvd-rom and cd burner installed. Given my model number and previous upgrade history, will the partition numbers given in post 3 of the Fixes thread be exact for my situation?
     
  17. Dec 8, 2002 #477 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    I wasn't being too critical, but Hinsdale is too big to memorize, and has a maze of nested configurations and options!

    I decided to assume that what you were suggesting was using MFS Tools to copy the contents of both drives to a new A drive.

    The manual swap technique gives the commands for both 11 and 13 partition drive. By the time you get to that step it should be obvious which you have. The 13 partition drives are the newer ones, so I assume that yours is an 11.
     
  18. Dec 8, 2002 #478 of 1590
    ronsch

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    Thanks Again. We'll find out in about two weeks. I'll post my results.
     
  19. Dec 8, 2002 #479 of 1590
    tornado

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    The New How-To mentions software versions up to 3.0. Anybody use it on a Series 1 DTiVo with 3.1 yet?

    As luck would have it, my in-laws' DTiVo got 3.1 last night before I could upgrade the B drive.
     
  20. Dec 8, 2002 #480 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    It won't make any difference to upgrading the B drive - just dd it over and run mfsadd.

    It's possible for upgrades to change the backup parameters (happened on the UK TiVo), but I think we'd have heard by now if 3.1 did that.
     

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