How-To Upgrade your TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by hinsdale, Dec 21, 2001.

  1. Nov 10, 2002 #441 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...

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    If you copy the A drive to the new one, when you power up for the first time, you'll be in exactly the same state you would have been had you used the original A drive (with more recording space).

    You might want to do Guided Setup and take the software upgrade before you move to the new drive - just to be sure your TiVo is OK. Doing this doesn't make the upgrade any more difficult, the MFS Tools transfer will take about the same time either way.

    I recommend making a backup to put on a CD for additional safety, but it's not a vital step in the upgrade. You can put a small FAT partition on the new drive to make your compressed backup - MFS Tools will steam over the FAT partition when you upgrade.

    You can modify the MFS Tools pipe to run more quickly:

    mfsbackup -so - /dev/hdc | mfsrestore -s 127 -r 4 -xpi - /dev/hdb

    Would only take about 10 minutes - although obviously it doesn't take the recordings.
     
  2. Nov 10, 2002 #442 of 1590
    moonslice

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    Thanks Robert! I now understand i do want to copy the info from the old to the new one, and i have to put both drives in my PC.

    But...

    When you say to put a small FAT partition on the new drive to make a compresssed backup, is that necessary?

    Were you suggesting that as an alternative to partitioning my c drive? Is there any reason i need to partition any drive, as long as i boot up from the CD, or do i have to partition because i have XP on my c drive?

    Do I do partition it from some command when i boot up from the tools CD i burned?

    When you say MFS Tools will stream over the partition when i upgrade, does that mean it will erase it and give me back the whole drive?

    If i make a backup on a cd (for safety), is that something i begin after i boot from the tools CD, or do i start winXP and somehow make a backup?

    Thanks again!
     
  3. Nov 10, 2002 #443 of 1590
    Robert S

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    If you're running XP, the chances are you're on NTFS. Linux can read files from NTFS partitions, but not write them. Also, it would be a good idea to leave your XP drive disconnected at least until you have a backup.

    You'll need to partition and format your new drive with DOS tools before you write the backup - you can resize the partitions on your C: drive, but it's probably better not to mess with it. Get an MS-DOS boot disk (from bootdisk.com if necessary). With only your new drive connected, run FDISK and FORMAT - with reboots as appropriate.

    Once you've copied the backup on to your XP drive, you won't need these partitions any more.

    MFS Tools will restore over everything on your new drive, there's no need to delete anything.

    If you have a CD writer, use your XP CD creation software to write the backup file you created to s CD for safe keeping.
     
  4. Nov 10, 2002 #444 of 1590
    moonslice

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    aren't my mfs tools on the boot cd i burned according to #4 of the instructions?

    #7 (backup) says...
    Power up your PC with the Boot Cd in your cd-rom. Boot Cd users should hit <enter> to initiate the default boot option. Type "root" or simply hit <enter> to bring up # prompt. At prompt both Boot CD type the following commands to mount your C: drive:
    mkdir /mnt/dos
    mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos
    Then...
    mfstool backup -6so /mnt/dos/tivo.bak /dev/hdc

    It doesn't say anything about partitioning any drive, so are all the tools on my boot cd?

    Sorry for all the questions, but I don't want to screw up.

    Thanks again
     
  5. Nov 10, 2002 #445 of 1590
    bdkras

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    OK, about to make the move to upgrade my single 40GB drive DSR6000 DirecTiVo unit with a Maxtor 120GB 7200 as a replacement A drive.
    I plan on doing this using my Dell 8200 running XP.

    Here's my basic question: Which of the Hinsdale upgrade methods will be best to use:
    1) Original Hinsdale-How-To featuring TiVoMad, BlessTiVo, and Mfs Tools 1.1
    OR
    2) New Hinsdale-How-To featuring Tiger’s Mfs Tools 2.0 as an all-in-one upgrade solution?

    I've read over (1) and it sounds pretty straight forward. However the footnote about booting from Windows 2000/NT/XP has freaked me out a bit. Best I can tell, whenever I have the TiVo drives connected to my PC, I'm always supposed to be booted from the CD (not XP). If that's the case, then I don't have to worry about it, right? As long as I only boot from the CD, I shouldn't have to worry about all this creating a fat32 partition stuff, correct?

    If this is the case, to be safe I'd like to try booting my PC using the boot CD I created with nuboot6.iso. Any harm in just booting up with my original PC hard drives attached to make sure that my BIOS does indeed boot from the CD?

    Thanks very much for the help. Just want to be safe rather than sorry.
    Brian.
     
  6. Nov 11, 2002 #446 of 1590
    bbackman

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    All you all ( that's Southern USA speak for 'you guys') are fantastic! I just upgraded from a plain old SA 30GB to a SA 120G/30G and it was an absolute SNAP! I followed Hinsdale using Tigers MFS Tools 2.0. It even found my USB keyboard!

    I've been lurking on this forum for nearly a year, 'till I could find a good price on an upgrade drive. I even found that info on this forum! - (Circuit City:WD 120G @ $129-$30 rebate )

    Again, great work and thank you. Now, after I finish my obligatory recording of Franklin, Dora and Elmo, I can finally record MY shows!

    Upgrading to TurboNet as soon as it arrives...
     
  7. Nov 11, 2002 #447 of 1590
    Jerry_K

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    Thank you Hinsdale. Your instructions and a floppy with MFS tools from Tiger made a novice an expert. One Phillips DirecTiVo goes from 30 and 15 to 80 and 60 without a hitch.
     
  8. Nov 11, 2002 #448 of 1590
    Robert S

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    bdkras: Use MFS Tools 2.0 (New Hinsdale) for everything. Follow Hinsdale's instructions - ignore the docs with MFS Tools 2.0.

    Like moonslice, I suggest you put a small FAT partition on your new drive to make a compressed backup that you can store on your XP drive or burn to a CD. It doesn't take very long and is good insurance.

    You will always be booting from a CD while you have TiVo drives attached, so if you have the XP drive connected with the TiVo drives it's best to make sure your PC is booting off the MFS Tools 2.0 CD (chuck out that nuboot.iso!) before you attach the TiVo drive.

    moonslice: Of course MFS Tools is on the MFS Tools CD! You partition the hard drive to make a FAT filing system for MFS Tools to write the compressed backup to!
     
  9. Nov 12, 2002 #449 of 1590
    Deven

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    jimjoe, why would you want to toss the original drive? Why not do what I did? After replacing the A drive with a 120GB drive, I used the old A drive as a new B drive, for even more space! It seems silly to leave just one drive in there when you can have two...

    bdkras, I just used MFS Tools 2.0 all the way. Worked like a charm. I don't know why you'd want to use the old tools when this one works so well... (Thanks, Tiger!)

    Of course, I'd still test the new drive(s) before clobbering the old one(s), on general principle. (That's what I did, and the tests passed with flying colors.)
     
  10. Nov 16, 2002 #450 of 1590
    bdkras

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    Thanks very much for the advice. I'm upgrading right now. One additional question:

    Since I'm now planning on using my original A (40GB) drive and making the new 120GB drive a B drive for a total size of 160GB do I need to worry about using the "-s 127" option to increase the swap size? I would assume not since the doc says that the threshold for DirecTiVos is approx 180GB and I'm only going to 160GB. Any harm in doing it anyway? Any way to increase the swap later if necessary? How often does it really matter anyway? (sounds like it's only necessary in the rare case that the TiVo repari utility GSOD is triggered). What situation would trigger GSOD?

    Thanks!
     
  11. Nov 16, 2002 #451 of 1590
    Robert S

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    I recommend replacing the the A drive rather than adding to it. Use an MFS Tools pipe to copy your recordings if you want to keep them, otherwise just do a backup/restore. This allows you to use -s 127 to increase your swap and means that if your new drive develops a problem it'll be easy to fix.

    After a month or so, once you're sure your new drive is OK, you can use mfsadd to add the old A drive as a B drive.

    You are quite correct, the extra swap only makes a difference when a large TiVo green screens. Your upgrade will not take the TiVo over the threshold. Green screens are very rare - you may never see one. You can temporarily increase swap (see the Fixes thread) to 'rescue' a TiVo that's green screened with insufficient swap.

    However, if you were to upgrade to 2x120 later on, it would be very easy if the 40Gb drive is the B drive and you have extra swap (use dd to clone the drive, then mfsadd to expand into the extra space), and trivial if you stay with just the 120Gb drive (run mfsadd to add the new one).

    Anyway, if your new drive does fail, and you're trying to figure out how to extricate yourself from a twin-drive configuration, you'll at least have the comfort of knowing you were warned in advance...
     
  12. Nov 16, 2002 #452 of 1590
    bdkras

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    Robert,
    Thank you for the advice. I didn't read your post until after I made the decision to keep my 40GB A drive and add the 120GB to it. I just used the mfsadd as in hindsdale and didn't use any -s option. It seems to be working OK and hopefully will stay that way.

    Am I correct in understanding that no matter what, I can always start over by simply restoring the backup (tivo.bak) I made to the original 40GB Quantum A drive? So if I wanted to start over and do as you suggested, I could restore my backup to my original A drive and then set up the 120GB to be a new A drive?

    Thanks again for your help.
     
  13. Nov 16, 2002 #453 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Yes, you can use the backup to turn any sufficiently large drive into an A drive for your TiVo.

    I wouldn't worry too much about the swap. You're still below the threshold where your TiVo will experience problems if it green screens.

    If you upgrade further (keeping recordings) you will either have to create a larger swap partition manually or rely on the rescue maneuver to get you out of trouble.
     
  14. Nov 19, 2002 #454 of 1590
    clisbeek

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    for a very non-techie person who loves her 2 year old Philips Model "HDR212BK01" and can't afford to buy the newest Version 2 TiVo, is there anybody near Boston MA that does house calls for memory upgrades like you all are talking about? I'm so bad, this old Compaq Armada laptop I'm writing this message on is owned by my employer and every time it acts up they reimage it and I lose all my Web favorites... obviously I'm a very lost puppy but I am willing to learn.
     
  15. Nov 20, 2002 #455 of 1590
    dvdapex

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    These instructions worked perfectly.

    I had used some other instructions and they were filled with typos that turned this "under one hour job" into a 3 hour nightmare.

    I downloaded these instructions and in about 45 minutes, I had a DirecTivo with 140 hr recording time.

    Thank you very much!
     
  16. Nov 20, 2002 #456 of 1590
    Robert S

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    clisbeek, you need access to a 'proper' PC to prepare the drives yourself (your laptop doesn't have the right connectors for the 3 1/2" drives TiVo uses), so your options are a bit limited if you can't find someone to do the upgrade for you.

    However, you could order a pre-prepared drive from Hinsdale or the other upgrade shops (weaknees, 9th Tee, etc). Unless you're desparate to keep your recordings I would go for a replacement A drive (or A+B if you want lots of space!).

    If your TiVo is currently a single drive model (and the A drive hasn't been upgraded), you can order a 'pre-blessed' B drive which will add to your existing space without affecting your existing recordings. It will noticably slow your TiVo down, though.

    Replacement/pre-blessed drives are very easy to fit and come with full instructions and often even the tools required to fit them.
     
  17. Nov 20, 2002 #457 of 1590
    tivoupgrade

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    And in some cases, support and a warranty is also included.

    Lou
     
  18. Nov 20, 2002 #458 of 1590
    MannyVjr

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    I just want to thank every one involved on this Upgrade Guide.

    I received my drives (120Gb Maxtor) yesterday and with my 5+ years old computer hooked them up, made a backup image of my 14hr SA TiVo (god bless that black box) and in less than 2hrs I had a 306hr (basic quality) - 84hr (best quality) without any glitches.

    Thanks again.

    MannyVjr
     
  19. Nov 22, 2002 #459 of 1590
    tonyaldr

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    Hi, all. I've had two 30 hour HDR312s, and I've never upgraded them but now one of them has a burned out modem. Can I combine the drives in the surviving one? Since they're both original TiVo drives do I need to do anything to either in order to get them to work together? Thanx!!
     
  20. Nov 23, 2002 #460 of 1590
    Robert S

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    No, just use mfsadd to expand the image on to the other drive.

    Not tempted to try an external modem or TurboNet to get your TiVo working?
     

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