How-To Upgrade your TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by hinsdale, Dec 21, 2001.

  1. Aug 29, 2002 #361 of 1590
    dwallyn

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    hinsdale: I just rec'd a used HDR31201 with a 30 gigger. I have purchased a 120 gig from someone who has made the disk an "A" drive for me. If I wanted to add a "B" drive to this new "A" drive, is all I have to do is Bless the new "B" drive and add it to the case? Or do I have to also make a copy of the new "A" drive, even though I have the original "A" drive as backup? Please let me know hinsdale, or anyone who might know.
    Thanks
     
  2. Aug 29, 2002 #362 of 1590
    llogan

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    You need to make a backup of your new A drive, then restore either to that same drive or a different one to make your new A drive and then bless your B drive.
     
  3. Aug 29, 2002 #363 of 1590
    dwallyn

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    IF I MAKE A BACKUP, ISHOULDN'T HAVE TO RESTORE IT TO THE SAME NEW DRIVE WOULD I. COULDN'T I JUST SAVE IT ON MY "C" DRIVE ON MY COMPUTER AND BURN IT ON A CDROM? ALSO WHAT SOFTWARE DOES THE COPY IMAGES AND RESTORING?
     
  4. Aug 29, 2002 #364 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    RESTORING AN IMAGE TO THE SAME DRIVE IS A TECHNIQUE FOR PREPARING AN A DRIVE THAT WAS PART OF A SET TO TAKE A NEW B DRIVE. MFS TOOLS IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR CREATING BACKUPS AND RESTORING THEM. SEE THE TOP POST IN THIS THREAD FOR DETAILS. USE NEW HINSDALE AND MFS TOOLS 2.0.
     
  5. Aug 29, 2002 #365 of 1590
    dwallyn

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    THANKS ALOT ROBERT. YOU HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL. TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, I WILL MAKE A BACKUP IMAGE OF MY NEW "A" DRIVE, AND RESTORE IT ONTO MY NEW "A" DRIVE, USING MFS TOOLS 2.0. IT THEN CAN BE MARRIED TO A NEW "B" DRIVE ONCE THE "B" DRIVE IS BLESSED WITH BLESSTIVO. IS THIS CORRECT?

    DENNIS
     
  6. Aug 29, 2002 #366 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    DON'T USE BLESSTIVO, IT'S OBSOLETE AND CAN BITE YOU IF YOU USE IT FOR THE WRONG PURPOSE (LIKE THE ONE YOU PROPOSE). USE MFSADD, OR CONNECT THE B DRIVE WHEN YOU DO THE RESTORE AND ADD ITS NAME TO THE END OF THE COMMAND LINE AND MFS TOOLS WILL CONFIGURE IT CORRECTLY.
     
  7. Aug 29, 2002 #367 of 1590
    domesticbeer

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    Thanks Hinsdale and Tiger and esp Robert S.


    Did my upgrade on my SVR2000 went from 30hrs to 119hrs by adding 2x 80gb maxtor hard drives.
     
  8. Aug 30, 2002 #368 of 1590
    legalaliens

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    Successfully upgrade of a two drive DSR6000 to a single (120 gb Maxtor) drive unit!

    Thanks to everybody (especially Hinsdale) for the great instructions.

    Philips DSR6000 - 109 Hours
     
  9. Aug 30, 2002 #369 of 1590
    legalaliens

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    Nevermind my original post - I saw some previous posts with 106 hours - 40 + 80.
     
  10. Aug 31, 2002 #370 of 1590
    gannett

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    Me too .. Success Using the most excelent notes
    http://www.newreleasesvideo.com/hinsdale-how-to/

    My Tivo is now up to 140 Hours (basic) with room for another 140h on a second drive when added. The backup image is on a PC in case of disk crash and the original 30+15 GB drives are in the cupboard as fall back position. The new 120gb Maxtor 540x drive was £1 a Gbyte from Insight.com/uk

    The main process difference was that the CD tool automatically unlocked the Maxtor drives during the boot process so that extra step was not needed.


    The process was very similar to that described in
    http://www.steveconrad.co.uk/tivo/
    but I had a 30 + 15 GB drive configuration rather than just a single drive as described.

    The CD tool allows the migration from twin into a single drive unit so decided to go for a single 120Gb configuration and keep the original drives intact. This would be quieter and allow for a simpler aditional upgrade next time. The conversion process used kept all the user information ( thumbs, season passes) but not the recordings.

    You will know this if you have read all the thread but here goes ...

    The process is quite straight forward. You put the drives into a PC that has a 3rd dos drive and is booted off the Tivo tools cdrom. You then use a special backup tool on the CD to read the Tivo drives and make a backup image on the dos disk. You then remove the Tivo disks from the PC and put in the new drive and do the restore. After testing the restored image on the new drive in the Tivo you then put it back in the PC and use another software tool to expand the drive to its full size. ( Can be done in one step at restore time. ) Move the disk back to the Tivo, tidy up the loose cables and fix in the now spare B disk special bracket using some nuts to hold the disk mounting screws, reboot and check out the system information then grin inanely.

    :D

    It all went smoothly thanks to some assistance and the great notes linked to above.


    Gannett
     
  11. Aug 31, 2002 #371 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    Steve's diary was written just before MFS Tools 2.0 came out.

    It's better to use MFS Tools 2.0:

    mfsbackup -Tao - /dev/hdc | mfsrestore -s 127 -xpi - /dev/hdb

    (If you have two source drives, list the B drive after /dev/hdc).

    Replaces both dd and TiVoMad, plus expands swap (makes adding that B drive safer) and uses a faster partition structure (TiVo hardly slows down at all).

    If you do add a B drive, use mfsadd and not BlessTiVo.
     
  12. Sep 3, 2002 #372 of 1590
    Slicker

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    Just an update here. The fix I did (replace/upgrade my "A" drive) did NOT fix my problem. Stutter is back, though not as frequently, and doesn't crash the drive completely as often. I suppose it is possible my "B" drive is also failing, but as it is less than 6 months old, that is less likely. So, off I go, going to try to copy/replace my "B" drive, and see if that helps.

    One thought I had... I still have my original Quantum drive (the one I removed for the upgrade) and am considering clearing it off, restoring from my backup, and popping it in by itself to see if I still get the problems. Of course, if the drive is really bad, this wouldn't work too well.

    How can I test the drive? What tools do I use on the Tivo upgrade CD? (I have a bootable CD to work with) Also, how do I view the partitions on the "A" drive?

    Thanks for any help
     
  13. Sep 3, 2002 #373 of 1590
    tivoupgrade

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    It is just as likely to be a new drive as an older drive. You should download diagnostics from here and run the advanced factory test, if you have time, on both drives.

    http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/powermax.htm

    Lou
    PTVupgrade
     
  14. Sep 3, 2002 #374 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    PowerMax often passes drives that cause TiVo to stutter. Unless you can find other evidence of which drive is failing (error messages in logs?), the only definitive test can be to put an A drive image on both drives so you can run them independently.

    If you're restoring to the same drive you backed up from, don't use the -s 127 option as the expanded swap will make the image too big for the drive.
     
  15. Sep 3, 2002 #375 of 1590
    Slicker

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    OK, I can try to view the logs. I have put Tivo into backdoor mode and looked at the logs, but not sure what I should actually look for. Which log? And what evidence?

    The strangest part of all this is that the same recording that stutters will work fine next time around. Usually, all I have to do is hit the Tivo button on first stutter, pop thru a couple of menus, and the restart the recording. That implies to me that the drive isn't bad, but I know it doesn't rule it out completely.

    One other thought: has anyone surveyed which machines this happens to? I have the Sony, and while I love Sony products generally, I truely believe that Sony builds their products to fail after a few years. I've had non-sony TVs last for over a decade, and 3 different sony tvs blow out their tube within 3 years. So, is it mostly (or ONLY) sonys this happens to? Or is it evenly divided amongst the manufacturers.
     
  16. Sep 3, 2002 #376 of 1590
    Slicker

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    Oh, and after going to that page, there's a problem for me. I don't have a floppy drive. And the Maxtor page tells me I have to boot from a floppy.

    I have an older PII 266 with a floppy. Will it work there?
     
  17. Sep 3, 2002 #377 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Yes, it'll run on most PCs. A few very new ones have IDE controllers it doesn't recognise.
     
  18. Sep 3, 2002 #378 of 1590
    Slicker

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    Two more questions before I try the suggestions:

    1. is the Maxtor utility destructive? Will I lose my recordings by running it?

    2. I have avoided the factory reset option, again because of losing recordings. If i reinstall my original Quantum drive, and do the factory reset on that one, I wouldn't care about recordings, since they are saved on the two new(er) drives. Do I have to restore my original drive before putting it back in if I intend to do factory reset?

    Sorry to keep asking, but I am just very frustrated that I get so addicted to my Tivo, and recommend it to so many folx, and then all these problems start. I'm still suspicious of the 3.0 update, because I had ZERO problems before it.

    Thanks again. And again, sorry for so many questions.
     
  19. Sep 3, 2002 #379 of 1590
    Robert S

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    Cambridgeshi...
    Your problems do seem more like the problems others have reported after the 3.0 upgrade rather than a drive failure. I've suggested people reset Guide Data if they don't want to lose their recordings, but no-one ever came back to say if this fixed the problem.

    If your original A drive has only ever been a lone A drive, you can plug it straight in. If it was ever married to a B drive, you'll have to restore the backup to make it a lone A drive again.

    PowerMax's 'advanced' test isn't destructive. 'Low level format', as you might expect, is destructive.
     
  20. Sep 3, 2002 #380 of 1590
    muchmore44

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    I just want to say thanks to Hinsdale and Tiger for giving us TiVo users a way to maximize a terrific technology, as well as to Robert S. and Merle C. for refining the swap expansion/correction process.

    Last night, I upgraded my Hughes DirectTiVo from 35 hours to 106 hours (went from 40 GB to 120 GB) and it couldn't have gone better! It took approximately 1 hour, 30 min, mostly because I was very, very careful - I could have done it faster, but I didn't want to take any chances. MFSTools 2.0 are the best!

    I am the happiest guy in the world right now (at least until the next person upgrades a Tivo!) and wanted to thank you guys for all that you have done.

    You guys are Saints!

    Thanks,
    Muchmore44
     

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