How-To Upgrade your TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by hinsdale, Dec 21, 2001.

  1. Apr 19, 2002 #201 of 1590

    Xiidaen New Member

    Jan 11, 2002


    Hi folks,

    I went through the upgrade process, but every drive other than my original A: drive hangs at the "Please Wait" boot screen. No errors are reported.

    I am running on a XP system, is it possible the drive was marked by the XP system as described at the bottom of the FAQ?

    I've checked the connections, and tried different cable placements (mid connector vs end connector).

    I've tried 4 drives, trying to get a functional A drive: 2 WD 60GB, 1 Maxtor 60GB and the original A: drive

    Once I restored my original image to the A drive, it works fine. Every other drive hangs on the "Please Wait" screen. So, I don't think it's the cable at all, and with three different drives, I can't easily see it as a drive issue, either.

    I even tried using the tools to expand one of the 60GB drives to full size before testing, with no change in results.

    I'm ready to try a new image if I can get one (especially if the smaller MAD images are transferrable) but I wanted to put out one last plea for help.



  2. Apr 19, 2002 #202 of 1590

    stormsweeper How *you* doin'?

    Nov 27, 2001
    NYC, USA
    Xiidaen: Did you boot up into XP with the new drive attached?
  3. Apr 19, 2002 #203 of 1590

    hinsdale New Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    What version software is on the unit? If its 2.0 or lower you need to edit your bootparms when restoring to a non-quantum drive - see the note at the end of Step 8 if applicable.
  4. Apr 19, 2002 #204 of 1590

    Xiidaen New Member

    Jan 11, 2002
    I'll check the software version, I don't remember what it had when I got it refurb'd about a year ago. But I can boot up the original A drive and check the version from there.

    It is possible the system may have booted in XP, but I doubt it, certainly not a full boot. (I've got a friend working on this with me, so I can't speak for the whole time period).
  5. Apr 19, 2002 #205 of 1590

    Xiidaen New Member

    Jan 11, 2002


    Ok, I think the bootparms did it, I got the green screen first, but it appears to work now.

    Thanks for your help!
  6. Apr 28, 2002 #206 of 1590
    Alan Hobson

    Alan Hobson New Member

    Apr 28, 2002
    I have attempted an upgrade on a UK TiVo with 2 120Gb Maxor D540x drives.

    each step has been sucessful up until step 10 upgrade configuration #2

    mad/ fails

    I've tried both single and dual disk expansion.

    Can You Help
  7. Apr 29, 2002 #207 of 1590

    nikkit New Member

    Mar 15, 2002
    Many Thanks Trevor for a pretty painless upgrade.
    Nikki 80+40Gb
  8. Apr 29, 2002 #208 of 1590

    pedxing Zik-Zak

    Apr 3, 2002
    See this thread for my AT&T Series 2 success story.

    Suggestions for the Upgrade FAQ:
    *) Moving the original drive in the bracket, using the IDE cable "backwards" and setting the jumpers. Noted in

    *) Setting the PC BIOS to NONE if it's too old to talk to a drive bigger than 36GB. Also note that doing this keeps WVSET, AMSET, and probably QUNLOCK from working... To make these work, the "AC" jumper can be set on the drive which limits the reported size to 36GB. But the AC jumper would probably make BlessTiVo bless it as a 36GB drive! So use AC, detect the drive in the BIOS, and to your WVSET and AMSET work. Then unjumper AC, set the BIOS to NONE for that drive, and bless the drive.
  9. Apr 29, 2002 #209 of 1590
    Richard Casto

    Richard Casto New Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Durham, NC, USA
    Upgraded my HUGHES DirecTiVo this weekend. It went pretty well. My only problem was that when I put my new 80GB drive in my PC I miss read my BIOS autodetect settings for the drive. I was so used to seeing XXXXX MB that when it reported XX GB I thought I had a drive problem (I was expecting the value to be in MB not GB).

    My C: drive is only 6 GB and I thought it was reporting that the new drive was only 80 MB and not GB. It was not until after I had flashed my BIOS (I thought maybe my BIOS was out of date) that I realized what was going on.

    Everything went smoothly after than. I even have an updated BIOS in my PC now ;)
  10. Apr 29, 2002 #210 of 1590

    nichols_eric New Member

    Jan 23, 2002
    I just ordered a 120GB Maxtor and Torx screwdrivers and a mounting kit. Hopefully, I'll be upgrading by this weekend! Anybody have any undocumented (from the Hinsdale guide) advice/extras for me?
  11. Apr 29, 2002 #211 of 1590

    budgetcomputers New Member

    Apr 13, 2002
    be sure to have a compressed air can ( you can get them anywhere - stapels, office max etc ) to blow the dust of of the inside of your unit and especaialy the fan as adding the 2nd drive means more heat!
  12. Apr 29, 2002 #212 of 1590

    Redhaze New Member

    Apr 13, 2002
    A minor blooper which kept me scratching my head for a longer time than I care to admit - make sure your CD drive is not set as a master. Mine was and I couldn't figure out for the life of me why I wasn't seeing the TIVO "A" drive when I booted up. Once I changed the CD to slave everything went smoothly.

    Ok, not totally smoothly as I didn't do the last step to expand the drive and had to go back to do that.

    I've found you have to be able to read and follow instructions to do a smooth upgrade. I was perhaps less than adequate at both requirements. Good luck to you.

  13. Apr 30, 2002 #213 of 1590

    nichols_eric New Member

    Jan 23, 2002
    I'll be sure to do that. Thanks.
  14. Apr 30, 2002 #214 of 1590

    nichols_eric New Member

    Jan 23, 2002
    Oh I read in another thread something about forcing UDMA/33 operation only... I don't believe that is documented. Is it really important?
  15. Apr 30, 2002 #215 of 1590

    Avenger Also Banned

    Mar 26, 2002
    A Cautionary Tale on Backups

    I upgraded my father-in-law's Hughes DirecTivo this last weekend by adding a second 40GB hard disk (from Fujitsu.)

    24 hours after the successful upgrade, the Tivo began to make an awful knocking noise, and we got the GSOD. Turns out that the new drive was going T.U. I hadn't backed it up, but I had planned ahead, having downloaded a virgin 2.0 disk image for his unit in advance of the upgrade. I had to pull the new drive and re-image his existing drive. This worked like a million bucks. Of course, we had to repeat the whole blasted setup process again, but the machine was up and running again after a few hours.

    Be sure to back them up before upgrading them, or at least have a virgin image on hand. Even if everything goes smoothly at the get-go, you never know if that new drive will die after a day or two of service and leave you stranded.

    Many thanks to Hinsdale for the instructions, and to everyone who had a hand in devising the boot disk, TivoMad, BlessTiVo, and the other fabulous utilities that saved me from having to send my father-in-law's Tivo away to Hughes for service for God-only-knows how long! :)
  16. Apr 30, 2002 #216 of 1590

    CaptainTiVO Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Austin, TX, USA
    I have a DSR6000 single drive DTIVO unit. I removed the original 40GB drive, backed it up, restored it to a new 80GB drive and used TiVOMad to expand to fill the 80 gigs. I saved the original drive as a backup-backup in case the 80 gig died (I've had 3 Maxtors die on me!!). After 6 months, I trust the new drive so I would now like to use the 40 gig drive.
    What I would like to do is this: either add the 40 gig as a B drive or, failing that, replace the 40 gig as the A drive and move the 80 gig to B drive. BUT.. I want to keep the existing recordings!

    After reading Hinsdale's HOWTO, I have these questions:
    1. Quoth Hinsdale:
    "Note for previously upgraded TiVo's using TiVoMad or BlessTiVo - standalone or DirecTiVo: Even those who originally upgraded without backup can now use Mfs Tools to quickly create a very small usable single drive backup image (effectively divorcing blessed drives and/or unexpanding TiVoMaddened drives) that can then be used to revert your TiVo back to a single drive unit or expand recording capacity even further using larger drives. You are able to combine any two drive sizes you wish in your new larger configuration as long as your A drive is at least as large as your original A drive. Remember that once you boot an expanded A drive or expanded A+B drive in your TiVo, you will need to restore from backup, or create a new Mfs Tools backup and restore it, in order to further upgrade recording capacity."

    "Preserving Recordings:
    Note 3: Those adding a new B drive to an existing single TiVoMad expanded A drive configuration may also be able to preserve their existing recordings (this does not apply to existing two-drive configurations). After creating your Mfs Tools single drive unexpanded image using the commands above and testing this image on your new upgrade drive, you should then restore this backup image directly back to the originating A drive. This will result in your A drive being un-TiVoMad expanded (and thus capable of further upgrade) and may retain all or some of your existing recordings because Mfs Tools only overwrites the included partitions (your mileage may vary - swap file changes and other factors may effect your results). Finally treat your now unexpanded original A drive as your "new" A drive and follow the instructions at Step 10) Upgrade Configuration #2: New A Drive with New B Drive in order to re-TiVoMad expand your original A drive and Bless your new B drive.

    Hmmm. Obviously, there is a lot about this that I dont understand. If I "Un-TIVOMad" the 80 gig disk, doesn't that make it think that it is only 40 gig? What happens to the pointers to recordings in the second half of the disk? Does this only work for backups from disks that are as big as the new disk? That would seem to defeat the purpose.

    Can someone tell me if I can do what I want or do I just have to trash the recordings? Thanks.

  17. May 2, 2002 #217 of 1590

    jackal New Member

    May 1, 2002
    Wanted to add my testimonial as the latest in a long string of upgraders grateful to Hinsdale and the community at large. I've been involved in computer engineering for several years, but I never thought I'd try this until Best Buy's recent sale on WD 120s with a rebate ($299 - 100). With a little arm twisting, they did a price match for $199 netting 2 drives for $200 plus tax. Keep your eyes open for such deals! Now boasting a HUGE DirecTivo of 225 hours! Wife is very satisfied!! Now waiting for TurboNet to arrive...
  18. May 2, 2002 #218 of 1590

    sker99 New Member

    May 2, 2002
    At the risk of being yet another "me too", I'll say the Hinsdale instructions were great. I just did a simple upgrade to a larger A drive (got a new Maxtor 120GB) and left the old Quantum on a shelf. Took about an hour, including the dd copy time (and saved all the old recordings to boot).

    As a linux sysadmin, the instructions were a breeze. Ain't "dd" wonderful.

    Thanks Again Hinsdale and everyone else who made this all possible ... :)
  19. May 2, 2002 #219 of 1590

    mlipshaw New Member

    Feb 27, 2002
    WOW! It really works :D

    Hinsdale and gang - you guys are great. Upgraded my Tivo from 30 hours to 184 hours (50 best). The whole thing took a couple of hours, and most of it was just re-reading and re-reading the instructions, so I wouldn't screw anything up.

    The only 'trouble' I ran in to was my PC was having trouble auto-sensing the original Tivo A drive. I later realized that my PC doesn't need to auto-sense the settings - the Boot CD saw everything just fine and the process was flawless.

    Thanks Again!!!

  20. May 2, 2002 #220 of 1590

    llogan New Member

    Oct 11, 2000
    Reston, VA...
    took me all day at work (problems with my PC) but my failing 35 hour DirecTivo is now sporting 225 hours of recording pleasure, thanks hinsdale for all of the help!

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