How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1

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  1. Intheswamp

    Intheswamp Active Member

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    wyblynch, I see from another forum that things started working overnight and the downgrade is progressing!!! :thumbsup:
     
  2. wblynch

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    Yes, thanks. I forgot to post here. I guess the machine just needed some time to think about it. :D
     
  3. Intheswamp

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    When I was setting up my Roamio OTA (first time Tivo owner here) it seemed to lock-up a time or two but I just let it sit there...and it set everything up the first go'round. I know this is different from what you've been doing but it does make me think that patience is a virtue with Tivo boxes. :)
     
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  4. lpwcomp

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    New Roamio OTA. Went through the downgrade process and it didn't downgrade. Tried again and while I had the BSC I wanted to switch the remote back to IR. As soon as I ht the TiVo button, it terminated the process and now won't let me do it again.

    Edit: Trying a C&DE and seeing if that restores the option.
     
  5. wblynch

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    Yikes, hope it works.

    Mine is fine now, after the initial weirdness. Gonna swap it with the Roamio 500GB on the main TV.
     
  6. lpwcomp

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    Me too as it's totally useless for my purposes otherwise. I have to be able to xfer from PC to this TiVo.

    Edit: Did get the downgrade option again and I am now back to the BSC.

    Something I failed to mention before. The process was not exactly as stated in the Initial post. After the documented steps, there is a downgrade confirmation screen that prompted me to enter 3 thumbs down and "Enter" to proceed.

    Edit2: Second time was the charm. Now on Gen3 UI.
     
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  7. Intheswamp

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    If there is one thing that tempts me to downgrade to the Gen3 UI is the ability to transfer from PC to Roamio. *That* is very tempting. The jury is still out on that.

    Btw, did I mention that transferring from PC to Roamio is *very tempting*??? :)
     
  8. RoamioJeff

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    I came very close to upgrading to Hydra. I literally had my finger on the mouse button to click to request the update. And then I paused. I remembered a often repeated philosophy about voluntarily upgrading stuff that is working perfectly fine: Unless the upgrade specifically fixes a bug that is causing problems, or adds a new feature that is critical to your needs/wants; Don't Do It.

    So I kept reading. And sure enough, I read where Hydra breaks transfers to a PC via PyTivo. I'm glad I followed the common sense and did not click that mouse button.

    I'm sorry you will have to lose everything on your TiVo to downgrade. But the upside is that next time you consider upgrading something, you can apply the conventional wisdom before you pull the trigger. Believe me, I've been through this with computer OS upgrades and various other devices. Everytime I did it and it resulted in "issues", I told myself: "You knew better".

    Hydra almost got me. Almost.
     
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  9. osu1991

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    Opposite. Transfers from PC to TiVo are Broken. TiVo to PC still works fine
     
  10. RoamioJeff

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    Yes, I know. Transposed wording on my part.
     
  11. y2jdmbfan

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    Can I downgrade my Roamio Pro to Gen 3 and transfer shows from my Bolt on Hydra to the Roamio through the website and then downgrade the Bolt and transfer the shows back?
     
  12. JoeKustra

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    Funny trick. But you could buy a cheap Bolt+ or Roamio Pro on eBay. Put service on it for a month. Do the transfers. Cancel the service, which gets you the $15 refund, then keep the eBay TiVo for parts.
     
  13. Intheswamp

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    Well, in my case this was a first-time Tivo experience and I "went with the flow", I guess. Though I knew many people did not like Hydra (in it's current form) I figured Hydra was a UI that was going to be here from now on and that I might as well learn it. So really it wasn't an "upgrade" for me, just the default choice. But, in regards to your remembered upgrade philosophy...mine is normally "if it ain't broke don't fix it"...at the point of setup of my Roamio there was nothing there to be broken. :) But, I understand what you're saying about upgrading without a reason/cause...I'm running four Win7 computers and one WinXP (weather station). Very little to no problems (especially for the WinXP that simply sits there and chugs out data to the internet. No considerations of upgrading any of them. ;)

    As for losing everything if I decide to downgrade...we're still DVR'ing on the DISH receiver so we have duplicates of the "series" shows that we could fall back on. I just need to decide on whether to downgrade before mid/late January.
     
  14. stini777

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    I have the same question...I have a Bolt and a Bolt+ both with Hydra. Need to know if I can transfer the shows from the Bolt+ to the Bolt, downgrade the Bolt+ and then transfer back. Basically, can a Gen4 unit transfer shows to a Gen3 unit (via TiVo Online). Thanks!

    Sent from my LG-H932 using Tapatalk
     
  15. JoeKustra

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    I believe that will work if the programs are not copy protected. I did the same with two Roamio boxes. I moved 320GB of data without any problems.
     
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  16. JoeKustra

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    Maybe I didn't answer your question accurately. A Gen 3 box can get programs from a Gen4 box without TiVo Online. It's the other way around that needs TiVo Online. But for many programs, TiVo Online is much faster.
     
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  17. ColumbusNYC1

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    Long-time TiVo user. I currently have a Roamio Pro (and Mini) and just replaced an old Premiere with a white BOLT. During the Guided Setup, the BOLT upgraded to the new Hydra software which I learned would be incompatible with the Roamio Pro/Mini in terms of using it in multiple rooms. Moreover, my family does not do well with technological change so I needed to stay with the current software. Thanks to this thread, I realized that there was a way to downgrade. I spent 2+ hours on the phone with a supervisor at TiVo (due to other issues) who then walked me through the downgrade process. Since there were no recordings on the BOLT, I had nothing to lose. The downgrade went well and now all 3 units are communicating properly. The part that irks me is that the BOLT automatically updated during the Guided Setup process without asking first. I never would have done it (why fix what isn't broken?) and instead spent hours undoing it.
     
  18. JoeKustra

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    You would still be able to access the other TiVo's on your network. Your Mini would not be able to use your new Bolt as a host. When my TiVo was delivered I was expecting the software change. I don't like it, but I have other TiVo boxes. The Hydra box is just used for storage.
     
  19. ncbill

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    Thanks so much to the OP for the downgrade instructions.

    Thought I'd have to send my "new" (refurb) Roamio OTA back to Tivo when I found out it had Hydra, only after guided setup.

    But now it works just fine!
     
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  20. lefthand50

    lefthand50 New Member

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    Thanks to OP. Downgrading an replacement Roamio OTA worked fine (no recordings so can't confirm/deny if any would be lost). 3 minutes with Hydra made me want to cut off it's head, agree sluggishing and fairly unclear on how to use it. I liked the large type from the original, easy to see. Tucking the main things I need the control center for in 1/4 of the screen in very small type didn't work for me + I'm not willing to teach my wife.
     
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