How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1

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  1. CoxInPHX

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    Series 4 should have SkipMode, (although I have seen others say they do not have it) both my XL4 and 2-Tuner Premiere both got SkipMode, call TiVo support and ask them to check for the SkipMode flag or tag.
     
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  2. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    You should have been posting in the thread in the Premiere forum on this! I think Keven (kmttg) was the only other one that I recall indicating they had actually received it on a Premiere (and lots of people indicating they hadn't and TiVo Support indicating that they shouldn't). :)

    Scott
     
  3. samccfl99

    samccfl99 I Am Sometimes Vocal

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    Well sorry this got in the wrong place, and it was only a comment on the end of a post, but I will reply here and sorry if it is in the wrong thread Scott. There are many threads where posts should not be...LOL.

    The only thing I have to say is that, like Scott said, you seem to be the only one who says they have it on a Premiere (EDIT..,that I have seen...). I got a used LS one a few months ago and it came wiped so it Immediately put 20.7.4 on it. I can't test it recording-wise because I just use it for storage and it is not hooked up to the cable (no M-Card). I do know that if I transfer a Skip recording from my Roamio Pro to it, it loses the Skip.

    Call Tivo Support??? :rolleyes:o_O:D

    Maybe Ted will see this...
     
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  4. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    Not quite true as Kevin (kmttg) also indicated that his Premiere's had SkipMode after the update.

    Scott
     
  5. samccfl99

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    So you think it's worth calling support about? I don't. Maybe I will ask in an email. I think in the beginning of the move out of the country, the emails still went to CO (mostly because I got a callback once from them about the QM problem in 20.7.2). It would be nice if they add it. I am sure it could handle it running at least in SD mode! :rolleyes:
     
  6. SandiMacD

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    On rolling back Hydra that came with Roamio OTA last week:

    I was attempting to downgrade at 11 pm and it would not let me. Instead a message displayed saying an upgrade was scheduled for 2:30 am and to try later.

    I got around it by unplugging and then disconnecting the Ethernet cable (I never connected over wifi) before restarting. I was then able to go far enough to get to the 2 thumbs down but it never accepted the remaining steps. After my third attempt, I entered the 2 thumbs down, reconnected the Ethernet and this time when I entered the 2 rewinds and select, it accepted the commands and downgraded.

    Took less than 10 min to downgrade, restart. 10 min to go through setup and pull down zip programing and 10 to tweak my channel, userand guide setting preferences to how I like them. I then set up a few recordings and OTA season passes and transferred one recording back from my Premier. (I transferred all the recordings I wanted to keep over to the Premier before downgrading the Roanio. The whole thing took 38 minutes over my FiOS 75mbs.
     
  7. SandiMacD

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    I had named mine Roamio OTA. I did that online under the Activation menu. After the Rollback, that was the first name to pick from on the guided setup menu. That same menu offers you to give it a Custom name.
     
  8. SandiMacD

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    I went to Tivo online, checked boxes of everything to transfer to the old Premiere. That process took a couple of minutes. Each show took took 5-8 min over a direct Ethernet connection. After down grade I repeated it to get them all back on the new Roamio.
     
  9. SandiMacD

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    I went to Tivo Online before downgrade and transferred the one passes I wanted to keep over to my other Tivo. I have done that for a few years now as one TiVo was a 2 ch and one a 4 ch. When transferring passes online it remembers all the past shows recorded and keeps the preferences of each pass. Then I transferred the passes back to the downgraded TiVo.

    So if you have more than one Tivo this is a good way to store passes you want move back.
     
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  10. atmuscarella

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    I am bumping this back to the top for those who might be looking for it. First post gives the instructions on how to role Hydra back to the old HDUI.
     
  11. TheWizz

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    Many thanks for these detailed downgrade instructions to get rid of Hydra. I purchased a white BOLT OTA last week when they had the product and lifetime subscription sale to replace a Roamio OTA and it initially setup with the new GUI. :confounded: I upgraded the HD on the BOLT and am doing a like-for-like copy of OnePass Manager and most recordings, so didn't mind going through this since I still have the Roamio OTA to retrieve passes and recordings from. My steps were a bit different from Roamio, but it was 12AM when I did it, so may not be 100% accurate. :)

    For the BOLT:
    1.) Go into Menu- Help- Reset to Defaults- Repeat Guided Setup- Select
    2.) Press Thumbs Down 2 times (NOT 3!), now press Rewind (left arrow from Select) 2 times, (I don't believe I hit "Select" at this point and yet it showed the large right arrow just before commencing the downgrade process)
    3.) The BOLT then prompted me with a screen telling me I am attempting a downgrade of the GUI and to press thumbs down 3 times and then Enter (not Select) to confirm I indeed wanted to get rid of the glorious Hydra.
    4.) I did as asked and it then commenced the downgrade of the GUI. :handfist: I received a "network error" after 5 min. and it asked me to try again, which I did, and it was successful on the second attempt. Took about 15 min. Now I'm back to the good ole GUI like on the Roamios, which I prefer...

    I did try and do a mass transfer of a few hundred shows (~1.5TB of space) from my Roamio OTA to the new BOLT OTA via online.tivo.com (before attempting the downgrade) since the transfer option isn't there on Hydra, and it would run for a few hours (and transfer some shows) and just quit transferring and not restart. No explanation, no errors, and balance of shows were (stuck) in the "To Do List" still. I have Gbit ethernet in home, so not a wireless or bandwidth issue. Rebooted the BOLT and the "To Do List" of transfers was removed and no longer there. Chalked it up to the BOLT Hydra GUI. After doing the downgrade on the BOLT last night, tried it (mass transfers) again via the online.tivo.com screen and when I got up this AM, it had failed again sometime overnight (~5 hrs timeframe). Strange..... I went into the BOLT and manually did a transfer recording from each show on the Roamio OTA since that option is back via the downgrade (yes, that did take a while to do) and it's been running around 11 hours so far and (knock on wood!) hasn't failed yet. Anyone else have problems doing mass transfers via the online method vs. one-by-one on the TiVo direct? Just curious. :smirk:
     
  12. Bruc

    Bruc Bolt+,Roamio OTA & 4 Minis

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    TheWizz, thanks for your instructions for downgrading a bolt. It helped me with my new Bolt (with a minor correction in step 2.)

    2.) Press Thumbs Down 2 times (NOT 3!), now press Rewind (left arrow from Select) 2 times, (I don't believe I hit "Select" at this point and yet it showed the large right arrow just before commencing the downgrade process)

    Actually, from my experience, the REWIND button is the "double left arrow" which is to the left of the pause button.

    I can confirm that I did NOT press "Select" before seeing the the large right arrow just before commencing the downgrade progress.
     
  13. TheWizz

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    Just a quick follow-up: after starting the "pull" transfers to the BOLT over from the Roamio yesterday, I awoke this morning to find that the 1.5TB of recordings had completed the copy process with no failures or stoppages. From my experiences, the pull transfer between TiVos is much more reliable vs. the online.tivo.com transfer options, at least for a large volume (100s) of shows like I attempted.
     
  14. TheWizz

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    Thanks for the update and info. Like I mentioned, I was doing this around midnight, so my eyes were getting blurred so could have been the "other left arrows" that I pressed. :)
     
  15. UCLABB

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    Just did my Bolt+ and I didn’t see any large arrow. I’m pretty sure I hit select. Then, instead of reading the screen instruction ikept hitting select on confirm before seeing I had to do the thumbs and enter..

    Big thanks to Bad Command and you Wizz . The instructions were thorough and very helpful.
     
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    egutwillig

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    I was unable to get my Romeo to downgrade on 11/30. I called support two times and was told that there is a system issue and that engineering was working on the issue. Can anyone else confirm the “network issue” or am I getting the runaround?
     
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    UCLABB

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    Probably the runaround. I just did my Bolt yesterday and it went fine. Describe where it is failing.
     
  18. Dec 5, 2017 #118 of 648
    HuskerMike

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    I just tried this on my new Roamio OTA that came with Hydra pre-installed. It 100% DOES NOT work.
    I tried every combination of the steps listed above, and my new Roamio it seems, is doomed to use the overflowing toilet that is Hydra. Such a shame. That software is a total 4-day-old used-diaper. Tivo - PLEASE give everyone the option to not use this ill-conceived mess. Hydra is the WORST!!! Please give us the option! Or at least put a tiny bit of effort into your UI in the future?!? There is NO excuse for this vomit-filled dumpster-fire.
     
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  19. Dec 5, 2017 #119 of 648
    Ted J

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    I did this on a bolt for my brother just a few days ago and it worked... now on my bolt + it's not working so HuskerMike I'm in a similar boat to you. Anybody got any suggestions? If I cant put this one back going to either have to send it back or have Tivo figure out a way to downgrade for I can't believe they went from the last interface which was pretty darn good to how many steps backwards with that new buggy and not as easy to use interface. I mean only use the back button and can't see on a list what the other tuners are on and just have to use live tv button to go between tuners? (reminds me of windows media center) Really, those were some of the things I liked about Tivo.
     
  20. Dec 5, 2017 #120 of 648
    Ted J

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    As a FYI, I do the thumbs down twice, then rewind twice and hear a ding and that's it.
     

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