How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by BadCommand, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Nov 4, 2017 #81 of 648

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007


    I rolled back and started fresh. I finished watching all my must series over the summer, so it was not as bad as it seems.

    I plan to add 1P's as needed, not just load them all up. If your OTA it can be a sacrifice. I have Comcast and most cable shows are repeated over and over, same for HBO. Plus with on demand any lost shows can be watched.

    It was defiantly worth rolling back. Not just because of Live guide, but the my shows area is so much better along with most everything else. I will never use Hydra again.
  2. Nov 4, 2017 #82 of 648

    bluraven New Member

    Dec 24, 2005
    I would love to keep just 6 recordings and start mostly fresh, but SO of course wants to keep 40 episodes of one show and all seasons of another etc. I should have known better than to mess with a good thing. Doh.
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  3. Nov 4, 2017 #83 of 648

    PSU_Sudzi Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2015
    Philly suburbs
    kmttg is easy to use to copy shows over—but you could run into problems using pyTivo copying them back. I had used it successfully and I saved two episodes of Shark Tank before my Hydra upgrade. After I rolled back to gen3, my transfers from the PC back to my TiVo were unsuccessful, they stopped and threw an “expected file size error”. Searching for that here on TCF seemed to indicate a problem with the initial save to you can’t tell if it won’t work until you copy them all over and erase the TiVo and then you can’t go back and copy them again.
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  4. Nov 5, 2017 #84 of 648

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    That should work but you'll need to select each show one at a time to transfer.

  5. Nov 5, 2017 #85 of 648

    Finalrinse Member

    Jan 12, 2005
    S.E. Michigan


    This morning I rolled back (2) Roamio's and (5) Mini's. I knew I was losing all my recordings, season passes etc... My system needed a good house cleaning anyway. A fresh start is sometimes good!
    All is well now and everyone is happy. I will try Hydra again when appropriate.
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  6. Nov 5, 2017 #86 of 648

    midas I heard that

    Jun 1, 2000
    It should still work if you do it in the right order.

    Clone drive
    Do upgrade
    Realize it was a mistake
    Do downgrade
    Swap drives

    The downgrade wipes the drive but puts the stamp back on the MB that says it's gen3. When you put the cloned drive back in you've got all your recordings and you're still on the gen3.

    I doubt making a clone after the upgrade would work. But I think if the clone is from before the upgrade it should work.
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  7. Nov 6, 2017 #87 of 648

    bluraven New Member

    Dec 24, 2005
    Another satisfied gen3 household. Was able to transfer nearly everything by old TiVo Desktop. Transferred my one passes to the premier, then 'downgraded' (more like an upgrade to me), then copied one passes back from premier. Now just transferring the few shows back and the rest of the 176 recordings are going onto Plex. Last concern is do I need to contact Tivo to remove my TSN from the Hydra list? Or was that only a one time deal and won't be sent the update unless I request it again? Thanks guys for all your suggestions and help! So good to be back to the way it was.
  8. Nov 6, 2017 #88 of 648

    jimbop99 Member

    Sep 27, 2004
    I rolled back today. Wife wasn't happy and small issues bugging me. Especially the glitch with the minis and live tv. Maybe at a later date I'll try again.
  9. Nov 7, 2017 #89 of 648
    Bryan Lyle

    Bryan Lyle Tivo'n since 1999

    Feb 6, 2002
    Middle of...
    Ditto. Rolled back today because wife hated Hydra. Happy Wife = Happy Life (well, sometimes)....
  10. Nov 7, 2017 #90 of 648

    skaggs AlbanyHDTV

    Feb 13, 2003
    Albany, NY
    V66 error is intolerable. Rolled back this afternoon.
  11. Nov 7, 2017 #91 of 648

    altern8545 New Member

    Mar 23, 2015
    so glad i found this thread, i was afraid i was stuck in Hydra hell until a fix was released for the myriad of issues that has been cover extensively in this forum. while i was not thrilled about starting from zero, at least there was a way to roll back at all.

    hydra feels rushed and could have benefited with a wider and longer beta period. outside of the bugs, the UI change is perplexing. one of the main reasons i chose Tivo was for its intuitive UI and responsive menus. with hydra, i lost both.
  12. Nov 8, 2017 #92 of 648

    idksmy Guest

    Jul 16, 2016
    There are not a ‘myriad’ of issues. There are a handful of issues mentioned over and over again, in multiple threads, by professional backseat beta testers with 20/20 hindsight.
  13. Nov 8, 2017 #93 of 648

    altern8545 New Member

    Mar 23, 2015
    Yes, that is exactly what we signed up for when we dropped close to a grand on a DVR system.

    Beta testing.
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2017
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  14. Nov 8, 2017 #94 of 648

    idksmy Guest

    Jul 16, 2016
    VOLUNTARY testing.
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  15. Nov 8, 2017 #95 of 648

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    Well, no - not exactly. If you purchase the VOX remote control you must install Hydra for voice control to work.
  16. Nov 8, 2017 #96 of 648

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    For existing users it is voluntary, but if anyone buys/sets up new equipment - even left over white Bolts or Roamio OTAs during setup they auto load Hydra. There is no apparent way for a user not reading these forums to know or understand they have an option. I understand why TiVo has done what they did, but certainly would not be giving them a pass on this release, it could only be considered ready for prime time, if a new user could go out and buy new DVRs & Minis and be able to set them up and work without issues. Sure doesn't seem like that is the case. Plus I have some issues with auto setting up Hydra on new non-VOX equipment and not auto providing them with free VOX remotes.
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  17. Nov 8, 2017 #97 of 648

    stini777 Member

    Mar 15, 2016
    I totally agree with you on this. I went to Best Buy, purchased a Vox Mini, brought it home, updated to Hydra and I'm now dealing with being told I have no channels and can't playback recorded shows because I have the audacity to have my parental controls activated. Can you imagine if I was a new user and dropped $1,000+ on new equipment (1 TB Bolt, 4 Minis - my current configuration)?? I wouldn't have been able to return it fast enough. Those Bolt Vox units are on retail shelves - this update is not a beta release. It's normal to expect minor bugs and annoyances in a new interface (like the guide defaulting to channel 2) but it's not normal for all of your channels to be missing on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis. It's not ready, plain and simple.
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  18. Nov 8, 2017 #98 of 648

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Sorry, but that's not a fair characterization. Instead, the issues are being detected my numerous consumers, many upon a new box purchase, who enjoy their boxes and simply want them to work well. Nothing "20/20 hindsight" about it--it's from regular use, and almost immediately. Nor is there/should there be anything "beta" about it--the UI formally was released.

    And if the OP believes that he/she encountered a "myriad" of issues, I'm not sure that any of us not familiar with what the OP found can disagree with the OP's experience.
    But Hydra wasn't released as a beta product, was it? Certainly not for those consumers who purchased a Vox box and had their boxes install it automatically. And many of whom would have no idea that it's "voluntary," without researching here or elsewhere or contacting TiVo support as to how to revert to the earlier software.
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  19. Nov 8, 2017 #99 of 648

    stile99 Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2002
    There is literally an entire thread dedicated to issues TiVo admits to and is tracking. But nice try.
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  20. Nov 8, 2017 #100 of 648

    idksmy Guest

    Jul 16, 2016
    I know there’s an entire thread.

    The point is, how many different issues are there versus people posting ‘me too’?

    Nice try.

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