How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1

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  1. gabrielstern

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    I would be curios if someone could test what I did and take it a step further with the romio and see if the recordings would still be there on the normal drive, after going through the downgrade on another hard drive without reupgrading back to hydra before putting the normal hard drive back in, with the bolt it would be hopeless and more chalenging, but as far as hydra is concerned the graphics might look great,but if you can't retain the features of the classic platform,and especially with the romios it acts really weird with constant restarting, and the rolling ads really slow down both the romios and bolts. But especially screw up the romios and cause them to restart constantly.
     
  2. rrrccc01

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    Sounds like a science project and I'm not really interested in a science project, I just want a device that is intuitive and works; I have that now.
     
  3. gabrielstern

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    Got you, i want the same thing in my case it just turned into a science project, more out of frustration, but with time I will get everything the way i want, I just wish it were simpler, I like forward to when I can permanently downgrade my romio back to the classic platform. But my final piece of advice would be, if you also have tivo desktop plus now that you have downgraded would be to also download tivo py so you can back up but once again be able to transfer recordings back to your romio if you need to, without frustration. Glad you are satisfied though.
     
  4. Jim1348

    Jim1348 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't read all 30 pages here, but if I decide to downgrade, are the instructions on Page 1 still correct?
     
  5. gabrielstern

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    Yes I followed them around 3 weeks ago to temporarily downgrade my romio with a different drive in it so i could pull recordings out of my series 4, as that software had become corrupted and I had to create a restore drive in my romio to preserve the recordings and when I reuograded back in my romio the recordings on my normal romio drive was still intact, but whatever you do before you downgrade try and back up your recordings, if you care about them if not go ahead and proceed with the downgrade process,but if you care about your recordings and do not have any other tivos running the classic platform then you need to download tivo py from that forum and use that software as that is the only way to back them up and transfer them into your computer. Although it does not always accurately transfer in the program guides and information and the dates, if you do have other devices running the classic platforms then you would want to transfer directly your recordings into that device and also use tivo desktop plus just to transfer them into your computer from any device still running the classic platform, and tgen thanks to tivo py sharing the folder with tivo desktop plus you can transfer them back once again to any device running the classic platform, I hope this extra information helps you.
     
  6. mdavej

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    I also did this recently on a couple of units. Most went smooth, but one got stuck in a reboot loop. For that one, I kept hitting ok as fast as I could, and it eventually broke out of the loop.
     
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  7. gabrielstern

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    When i did my temporary roll back it went smoothly and only took about 15 minutes on my romio, I will do a permanent roll back after I find and purchase a used 6 tuner non vox bolt and mount externally an 8tb red drive on top and finish transfering the recordings directly, and then upgrade that device to hydra, then hopefully finally I can retire my series 4 as my computer interface device, and replace it with my romio, as my computer interface device, then, I would only need my series 4 in case if I needed to pull recordings from the other devices in case of any hardware failures or software corruption. It is the only way for me to workaround tivos insistence on rolling out software platforms without making sure their are no bugs or glitches in the software and they retain all the features of the classic platform, graphics, are not everything, especially if it does not work well on the romios, with the bolts dthe the hydra system works pretty well but with the romios and the ad deployments it cannot handle it properly and seems to with my romio pro restart at least once or twice a week. Thankfully with the romios you can remove a hard drive and put other drives in it and roll back and forth between the 2 platforms and not lose your recordings each time you put the regular hard drive back in. Like with the bolts, I may soon purchase another 6tb drive and create a recordings restore drive for my bolt as well, in case something goes wrong with that device. So I can protect the recordings in my bolt as well, in case I have to roll it back also.
     
  8. gabrielstern

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    I guess a simple way of putting it, is if you have a romio as well as other tivo devices such as a bolt or series 4 or even other devices you should using other hard drives and the rollback procedures create multiple back up drives, so if you need to restore recordings to other tivo devices you can if they originally ran the classic platform, and it is especially a good idea if you have a tivo bolt that is a non vox model because each time you unplug the hard drive and back in it just automatically reformats it and you lose your recordings.
     
  9. gabrielstern

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    Another suggestion is after you do a roll back is to run the tivo through the clear and delete everything cycle and then repeat guided setup so it clears out any file or recording or folder or software fragmentation, thats why your romio might have gotten stuck. Tivo threw a lot of junk in their software.
     
  10. Jim1348

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    I did this for my TiVo Roamio OTA yesterday and then both of my TiVo Minis. It works well, but as already mentioned, it is time consuming!

    When I originally upgraded, I had mixed feelings about performing the upgrade. It was something of an experiment to see of I would like it better. My wife, who is the main user of the Roamio OTA, said it probably wouldn't matter much to her.

    My motivation to downgrade was because of my interface with Tivo Minis and Slingboxes. I have both a Slingbox PRO-HD and 500. When the Minis go dark after a period of unuse, it seemed easier to "wake them up" under the legacy firmware, via the Slingboxes, than under Hydra. Perhaps I need to look at the Standby settings.
     
  11. gabrielstern

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    yes with the romios at least nowadays the hydra interface is very overwhelming, on the processor. To answer yours and others questions about the bolt, the hydra interface is much less overwelming on it, and works quite well, but with the romios this started around 6 months ago, as i had upgraded my bolt and romio back in 2018, thats why I am glad my experiment worked with using my romio and temporarely rolling back to create a restore drive, for my series 4, but in what i am doing it is even more time consuming, but well worth it to know how to get things working the way I want to. I just wish I did not have to resort to doing scientific experiments just to get all my tivos working the way they use too. It was not like this until around 2018, with backing up your recordings and being able to transfer your recordings to other tivos it used to be so simple, but nowadays it just makes you want to pull your hair out, at least in the non hydra platform you can still pull recordings easily and completely, vs using tivo online which is horrible and does not work. it is also the same with backing up your recordings into your computer, with the hydra system. Anyway enough of my venting I hope my previose posts even if lengthy and very detailed, help at least some with some other ways to preserve thier recordings before they go through the downgrade process permanantely.
     
  12. C Hakkarinen

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    I did the downgrade today on a Bolt and a Mini and it worked like described in the Page 1 descriptions. The one thing I did extra was that I unplugged the Mini from AC power before starting the downgrade on the Bolt. And after confirming that the Bolt had successfully be moved back from Experience 4 to Experience 3, I then powered up the Mini. The Mini screen then showed a message that the Bolt that it was connected to had been downgraded. It said I could downgrade the Mini by pressing thumbs down 3 times and then the enter key. It also provided instructions on how to upgrade the Roamio back to Experience 4. I chose the downgrade and didn't look back.
     
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  13. Majik45

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    THanks for this thread. I just upgraded to a Roamio recently off of E-Bay as I have just been using 2 old Tivo HD models for my over the air viewing. I had a bunch of shows I wanted to be able to transfer over to the new Tivo for my wife to finish watching, and doing the downgrade allowed me to do this easily. I also was able to catch it before too much had recorded on the new main Tivo in our house. Once I have most of the shows that we may want transferred over, I may upgrade again, but will make that decision later.
     
  14. gabrielstern

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    I would advise against upgrading the romio back to the hydra interface with the bolts at this point they work okay with the hydra interface but over the past couple of months, their have been some bad software updates with the hydra platform with being able to download the program guide information, I just spent money on a non vox bolt +, as i will not buy a bolt vox or edge dvr, your romio, you just bought if you leave it in the classic platform you could also create multiple hard drive backups of your HD tivo dvrs but for that you would just need 1 3tb wd red or purple drive, as the romio auto formats up to 3 tb, also if you want to go bigger check out the mffs.3.2 tools forum or the mffs reformattor forum, as for me very soon, I will be permanently downgrading my romio pro dvr, after I finish getting the rest of the recordings out of it, another reason not to upgrade back to hydra, when you do everything turns into a science project and gets way more complicated and frustrating just to do things that are easy with the classic interface, read my other replies and responses and others comments from this thread and you will understand.
     
  15. pfiagra

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    That there is one long sentence.
     
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  16. gabrielstern

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    Yes it was, but he needed to know, why not to put the romio back in the hydra platform, it makes everything ten times harder, and way more complicated than it needs to be.
     
  17. aaronwt

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    What is wrong with Hydra on Roamio? I still have two Roamios running Hydra. I have not had any issues with them. They have worked just as well as my two Bolts with Hydra. Which is to say they have worked great.
     
  18. gabrielstern

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    I am glad you have not had any issues running hydra on your romios. Unfortunately that is not the case for most people on this thread, including me. As for my bolts the issues have been a lot less, but I have still had some issues that started about 3 months ago, Thankfully if I want to I can roll my bolts back if I want to, as well. The hydra system has a lot of glitches and they took out beloved features, such as transfering recordings directly between devices. Also with hydra even if you backed up your recordings using tivo py you still can not transfer them back to any devices using hydra. With devices running the classic platform you can still use tivo desktop to transfer your recordings into a computer and then with tivo py's interface transfer recordings back to any tivo using the classic platform or even use tivo py to do both, if you wish, again things that long time hard core tivo users like myself loved for years about tivo. Also like most tivo users I just want something that works and runs smoothly and works the way I need it too, without constant restarts, or having to call tivo to get them to stop pre roll ads, which is a real disservice to lifetime subscription tivo users. I could go on for hours and hours, but I think I have made my point and expressed well, what most users on this thread have said.
     
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  19. aaronwt

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    I can't say I've had constant restarts. The pre roll ads are a pain though if they come back after being removed.
    But Like my Bolts I can still transfer my recordings automatically to a PC. I don't need to transfer them back since I can just stream content between TiVos. Or stream the content from the PC using Plex.

    It also helps that I'm not as reliant on my TiVos as I was five or ten years ago. Because of the bad video quality on FiOS( which has progressively gotten worse over the last five or six years), I now watch the majority of my content from streaming services. Which have much better video quality than both FiOS and Comcast. If the video quality never deteriorated so much, then I would still be watching most of my content from my TiVo recordings. But the detail is just not there anymore since it is compressed so much.
     
  20. gabrielstern

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    I also have plex, but it will not play my tivo recordings transfered to my desktop, also tivo desktop will no longer let me transfer recordings into my computer from my tivo's running hydra, I can do it from my series 4 and soon my romio again. Also tivo online is very unreliable in completely transfering recordings, vs if I initiate a transfer a recording directly using the classic platform, that almost always transfers the recording completely, like you I have used tivo's for a long time, since 2013, and I have a series 4 my very first tivo that I use now as an interface tivo for my computer, a romio pro I bought 6 months after my first one that has an mffs reformated 6tb green drive , and a 4 tuner bolt with a mffs reformated 6tb red drive, and courtesy of Amazon, a non vox 6 tuner bolt +. I just got a month ago,with a mffs reformated red 8tb drive mounted externally on both bolts, and I managed to transfer all the recordings I wanted from the romio to the bolt plus before upgrading it to hydra. Now I need to just finish moving recordings from the romio to the series 4 temporarily before doing a permanent downgrade on my romio pro, then transfer everything from my series 4 to the romio, then I can retire my series 4. 2 months ago using a new 3 tb hard drive, after removing the 6tb, I performed the downgrade procedure on my romio so I could create a backup of my series 4 recordings. After tivo online did not work correctly to move my recordings temporarily from my series 4. That worked without a problem after that I reupgraded to hydra before putting my 6tb drive back in. After I finish getting the rest of my recordings out of my romio that I want, I am going to use my original 3tb hard drive for my romio to do the downgrade and then see if the recordings stay intact on the 6tb drive, without having to upgrade back to the hydra platform, if that works, I will post here, but I know with bolts that will not work, where with the romios you can create multiple recording drives for them to create backups of other tivos and change hard drives without losing any recordings if you put the original hard drive back in. With the bolt and newer tivos you can't do that.
     

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