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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by BadCommand, Nov 2, 2017.
If you say so...
No kidding. That new interface is just awful. I wish I could figure out how to revert back. After a a couple of months of this new crappy interface, I'm ready to cancel TiVo and go with Channel Master....
It's posted here in this thread. Are you having issues with following the steps? What model TiVo do you have?
After 15 months of living with Hydra on a Roamio Plus, I finally rolled it back to TE3. It had started getting buggy over the past few months. It’d only complete a successful service connection about once a month (though guide data was always updated). It also started spontaneously rebooting several times a week, usually when trying to play one of those annoying Tivo commercials before the start of a show. And it’s been well documented how slow and frustrating the new interface is on an older Roamio.
But a couple issues I came across while doing the downgrade.
1. First time I tried to do the downgrade, I got a “Tivo is connecting to the Tivo Service. Try again later” error message in the Reset settings menu. (It wasn’t). I had to reboot the Tivo to clear the error message but it allowed me to start the process after that.
2. I had to do the downgrade TWICE. The first time, it went through the dialogs, did the rollback and then started up with what I’m assuming is an older version of Hydra. However, it didn’t require a new guided setup and all my shows and info were still there. (I didn’t confirm the version of software, so it’s a guess). I then repeated the process to do the downgrade and the next time it rebooted, it was at TE3 and started at the guided setup. (I was pleased I didn’t have to re-pair my Comcast cable card).
3. The same was true for my Tivo Mini’s. I had to go through the downgrade process twice before they reverted to TE3. (Did guided setup 3 times on the mini’s before it came back online). The only thing is that one of the Mini’s rebooted into the new interface and the picture kept flashing on/off the screen. Eventually it popped the downgrade screen back on and after the next reboot, it was back online.
I can’t say how much happier I am with the older interface. So much faster and responsive. Guide data is back and OnePasses restored.
The only thing I miss is that TE3 doesn’t ‘talk’ with the TV as well. With Hydra, if I hit the TiVo button, it’d automatically turn on the TV or switch the input to the Roamio if I was using my Roku or a blu-ray player. Now - I have to manually switch inputs back to the Roamio. But a small price to pay and I’ll live with it.
We are getting a Tivo Bolt this weekend. I hope we like TE4. I don't really want to have to downgrade. I hope ours works ok and doesn't freeze up or have problems.
Thanks so much ! I never upgraded my other Roamio's and got a last build refurb from weakknees and sure enough it was the hyrdra horror show experience. Yikes, sluggish as can be: Processor was never meant for this much of a GUI load. (a good portion of this is the refresh of the pretty background graphic of the current show highlighted as you scan channels). Then Pytivo, etc not longer work in other words O.S. is no longer extensible. Geez, I can no longer talk to Tivo with my computer and phone ? Since I did not have any recordings on it yet and thanks to your post the rollback was easy with no problems. I will have to say, glad Tivo decided to let us keep the old interface so I would not have to round file my Tivo's.
i think the best option for me is since I have a lot of recordings is to just get a 6 tuner first generation bolt install an 8tb drive in it and reformat it using the mfsr reformator software and transfer all the recordings to the new bolt from my romio pro as i would only lose 2 or 3 copy protected programs and then upgrade the bolt to the hydra system like i did with my other bolt as it works great on the bolts then install an 8tb drive in the romio and reformat that drive using mfsr reformator software then I can wipe the 6tb drive I installed in 2015 in my romio and use it to back up all my recordings i want to get off and save from my other tivos but be able to use my romio instead of my premier as a transfering device for backing up and transfering back recordings with the pyi software utilizing the romio to transfer back recordings then i can use tivo online if I need to move recordings to the bolts if I have to until either tivo comes up with a fix for the hydra system or the developer of the pyi software comes up with a software update to allow the transfer recordings back function to work with the hydra system.
Honestly, the process for rolling back is rather easy and pain free.
If I wanted to do this with my Bolt, how do i do it? And would I also need to do it with my Mini Vox?
Lastly, would it delete all my settings and cable card stuff?
Read the first post in this thread (it applies to both Roamios and Bolts). The Mini should roll back when the host rolls back.
And yes, you would lose everything including recordings, settings and CableCARD pairing.
The cable card is killer. How hard is that to set up again?
The cable person did mine before. Would i have to remove it and reinstall? Or could I leave the card in and re-sync it?
You should just have to call your cable company and get it repaired. It should not require someone to come out.
While this should just require the information from the TiVo's CableCARD pairing screen, if you have Comcast, they may want the serial number from the CableCARD too.
Probably a YMMV situation, but when I rolled back to TE3 I didn’t lose my cablecard pairing. I have FiOS so maybe that’s the difference? This was about 6-8 months ago.
Are you sure? With an activated cable card you will get most (probably over 90%) of the channels without it being paired. I myself only lose a handful of channels with a non paired card. However I don't subscribe to any premium channels, card will need to be paired for any premium channels and a "few" standard channels.
Yes I’m sure. I’ve been using it for several months since rolling back and aren't missing any channels. This includes premiums I have and free preview weekends where I'm able to watch the premiums I don't subscribe to. I also downgraded then upgraded back, and when I did that I saw that I did lose the channels when I downgraded and saw that I got them back after upgrading.
Not saying people won't need to pair the card again with their cableco. Just that I didn't have to.
I've never lost cablecard pairing when downgrading from TE4 to TE3. Always check premiums and never lost any. Check out first page of this thread, I asked that question back in 2017, responses were cablecard pairing not lost from others in the forum and it was the same for me, not lost.
As far as I have noticed, it depends on the headend system - Cisco/SA cablecards that pair with the Host ID stay paired (since the host ID doesn’t change) but Motorola cards that pair with both a Host and a Data ID can come undone since the Data ID can change (just like with hard drive upgrades)
I just may have found a way to downgrade from hydra back to the classic platform without losing recordings but in my case i am using my romio to try and restore my original hard drive on my premiers recordings and tivo online was not working so I pulled out my 6tb normal drive i use, but when put a 3tb spare drive in my romio it was still in the hydra platform so I just rolled back to the classic platform on my 3tb drive my hope is i can now deploy my premier recordings from a spare premier drive to this drive and re upgrade or at least plug back in the other drive and still have my recordings their on my regular 6 tb romio drive, as I understand the romios do not have the same issues as the bolts do with each time you unplug a hard drive it reformats it and you lose your recordings.
I upgraded/installed TE4 when it first came out, over the last few weeks my Roamio 4 has been getting worse and worse, slow response, stupid ads at the bottom, rebooting more and more often. So I bit the bullet this morning and "downgraded", I call it an upgrade, to TE3. i couldn't be happier. TE4 is/was lousy and I'm glad to be rid of it, so is my entertainment co-coordinator. It was even worth losing all the recorded stuff. The TE4 and the merger/buyout almost pushed me to putting the Roamio on eBay but as long as I can stick with TE3 and the old box keeps working I'm happy again. TE4, what a POS.
I guess you did not care about losing your recordings, but if it had been me, before i downgraded, I would have removed your regular hard drive from your romio and stuck another 3tb drive in it let it auto format then proceded with the downgrade as i think with the romios you only lose the recordings on the drive that is installed during the downgrade process, then put the regular drive back in and checked to see if the recordings are still their, in my case to create a restore drive for my series 4 as the software became corupted and tivo online was not working correctly to deploy to either my romio or bolt, I removed my expanded 6tb drive from my romio that I created using mffs reformator in 2015, and stuck temporarily a 3tb drive in my romio, let it format then went through the downgrade process, with that drive in and then miraculously using the old transfer a recording directly feature worked, so after i created the restore drive I reupgraded back to hydra before putting my regular hard drive in and my recordings were still their.