How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by BadCommand, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Lurker1

    Lurker1 Well-Known Member

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    Bad news. I just checked on my TE3 Roamio OTA, and see the same warning about no possibility to downgrade if I were to upgrade.
     
  2. LVKeith

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    Did a little bit of research and did find that in a youtube video published all the way back in Dec 2017 (by Tivo) this warning was displayed then too. So it is not something new. Not sure if it is OK to publish links here but the video is easy to find on youtube. Just search for "upgrade to Hydra".

    At the 0.53 second mark you can see the same warning given before updating. So this warning is not something new. No way to know if it's enforced now or has ever been enforced.
     
  3. JoeKustra

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    While I don't have a free TiVo to test the change on, it's possible this was the original message. Then somebody wrote a new procedure and changed the message.

    Consider: this thread started 11/2/2017.
     
  4. Lurker1

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    I seem to remember that the warning used to say you will lose all recordings if you roll back, not that it is impossible to roll back. ???
     
  5. schatham

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    This message was their for about a year after Hydra came out, but you could still downgrade. Then the message went away, so who knows, but I bet you can still downgrade. Remember most people have no idea about this forum and how to downgrade, so the message is for them, meaning no app to downgrade.

    Edit, I see a few of you stated the same thing.

    About a week ago I tried Hydra and then downgraded without a problem, I don't think that message was their.
     
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  6. JoeKustra

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  7. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    I expect the “lose all recordings” warning still exists on TE4 when attempting the downgrade.
     
  8. Credo

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    I received a Vox today as a replacement for my broken (4 flashing lights) Bolt+. As soon as I discovered there was no longer a TIVO Live Guide available (just the horrible grid) I called TIVO to complain wanting a Bolt+ back instead. They told me I could downgrade and I just did so successfully. So it is still possible to downgrade.

    I have been a TIVO user since 2001 and why they would remove one of TIVO's best features is beyond me.
     
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  9. Feb 1, 2019 #429 of 651
    krusir

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    I got a Bolt VOX OTA. I don't like the workflow of the new UI. I tried Thumbs_Downx2 + RWDx2 many times, just no-op. Nothing happened after press them. Power cycle, doing router port mapping to all ports listed in TiVo network testing page, did go through all "clear all" from the box and re-do all setup. Still the same. Just no response for downgrade. I really don't know why TiVo make this downgrade key sequence "Hit or Miss" per users.

    I've been contact support for this a few times. Finally they declare my box was a defective one. Everything works fine for the box. Are they put some "FUSE" to able to downgrade and my "FUSE" is burned. Being in computer software industry for 20+ years, I don't know why this downgrade thing can not be make it easier for users.

    I will get a new free replacement in next few days. I still wondering will the downgrade works for me with the new one. I saw some post that someone had the same as my case, 2nd one still not going to downgrade.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    Two things: check the manufacturing date on the rear, and hit the Info button when asked for a country. That displays the current software. Good Luck.
     
  11. Feb 2, 2019 #431 of 651
    Davelnlr_

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    I just got my SECOND replacement Tivo+ VOX, and it will NOT go back to the old menus. Tivo has totally just lost a customer. Im going to just throw this bolt in the closet for a backup and keep using my Premier until it dies.
     
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    schatham

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    I hope your not going from a new Bolt to a refurbished one. I think I would keep my new one.
     
  13. Feb 3, 2019 #433 of 651
    HerronScott

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    Seems odd that some people are having no problems downgrading while others are having issues. I couldn't see getting a replacement as I don't see this as possibly being any kind of hardware issue.

    Scott
     
  14. Feb 3, 2019 #434 of 651
    JoeKustra

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    I agree 99%. There are still items that we don't have control over that might be related. Inside my basic Roamio is a coin (2032) battery. One day I removed it and shorted out the connections. I could detect no changes. I have seen more than one post where TiVo's CS said to return a unit that wouldn't downgrade. No, I don't trust them, but I also don't think they would offer such a move without being told by someone with a brain that it will work. I took a TE4 back to TE3 and it didn't have the upgrade icon. TiVo told me to return the unit. I had to buy the VOX remote with the blue button to make it upgrade.
     
  15. Feb 3, 2019 #435 of 651
    mdavej

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    Strange. Mine has a mini live guide that shows just as many programs as the old live guide. But I actually took the time to learn how to use it before rushing to judgement.
     
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    schatham

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    It's not even close to the same thing!
     
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    mdavej

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    I see 7 channels on the left, and a list of the next 8 programs on the right. Only difference is one more channel on live guide, and the program list is horizontal and shows thumbnails. Pretty damn close. OP said it only had a grid guide, which is incorrect.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2019 #438 of 651
    Toni

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    I'm sure when they replace the TiVo for one that they say will downgrade, you're replacing a new unit with a refurb, right? That's maddening.
     
  19. Feb 4, 2019 #439 of 651
    philhu

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    It isnt backward compatability to 3rd party software. What they did was remove some of their published api that pytivo was using without saying to anyone they were doing so!

    They have done it before, with the mind server. Tivo used to be able to record internet stuff like the old Revision 3 internet shows using mind server. It would find them and push the requests 'by magic' to record them, like regular shows. Then one day, without even telling their CSR people, they removed it.
     
  20. Feb 4, 2019 #440 of 651
    JoeKustra

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    Last week I bought a replacement basic Roamio from Weeknees. As expected it ships with 20.7.3 but upgrades to current TE4 during GS. I waited for it to finish then entered the procedure to rollback. It failed. I then I paired the remote. It decided it liked the upstairs Roamio better. It was getting late so I pulled the plug and walked away to watch TV.

    This morning I powered off all Mini and Roamio units. I performed a global reset on the remote. I applied power to the unit and let it finish the second phase of getting guide data. When it was done, I tried the rollback. Worked fine. Hit a button on the remote and it paired to the only Roamio with power. BTW, one reason for the lower price might be the remote. Just a standard Roamio C0270. No dongle. And very poor packing. But the unit appears new, including the plastic film. Mfg date of 13 December 2018.

    Reason for purchase. One Roamio has a faulty Ethernet port. It can't receive files at full (93Mbps) speed. Wireless is only 60Mbps or less. Watching recordings it makes still works. Sending files still works. Rollback still works.
     

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