How to Expand TIVO Bolt Storage

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  1. tommage1

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    For the drive, I'd go with WD Purple, it's designed for AV applications. And Weakness uses it. I myself am using an older model Toshiba 3TB CMR drive but might be hard to find, especially new. CMR is now the term for what used to be called PMR, PMR is now a generic term and includes CMR and SMR.

    https://www.amazon.com/Purple-3TB-S...&keywords=wd+purple+3tb&qid=1590875782&sr=8-1

    The enclosure, this is what I used. Sabrent EC-UEIS7. High quality enclosure, aluminum, fan, closes with screws, good amount of space inside and external USB and Esata ports in case you ever want to use them, for this project none of the external enclosure ports will be used. Also has Sata and IDE internal capability. Only using the internal molex power connector with the molex to sata adapter for this project.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Alum...ild=1&keywords=EC-UEIS7&qid=1590875600&sr=8-1

    You can shop around since you have model numbers, Amazon, Ebay whomever. For the drive pick an authorized seller so you get full manufacturer warranty. Don't pay TOO much for the drive, 3TB purple should definitely be under $90, maybe $20 less.............

    Good luck!! It's what I am using with my Bolt running on TE4. Been up and running for quite awhile now and has withstood multiple TE4 software updates.
     
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  2. tommage1

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    One final thing, since you are using Sata cables of some length make sure none are bent to a 90 degree angle, that can cause data loss. By 90 degrees I mean 90 degrees exactly, can be over or under 90 degrees.
     
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  3. DICK LOCKWOOD

    DICK LOCKWOOD New Member

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    On the home stretch Tom. Ordered the Purple Label 3 TB WD HD. (@ $84.95)
    External Case: You recommend The Sabrent - It looks great and I definitely want to go with an internal fan.
    My concern..out of stock lots of places (new Egg, Sabrent home page, E bay etc.) ...Amazon say delivery 8 business days & not eligible for Prime.
    Alternative: Fideco - has fan, had great ratings. but only has usb external connect. As you say, not using the external ports on these units anyway. A bit more @$31.99 but not too much more than Sabrent @$26. Available in stock and can have it tomorrow.
    more info. at Amazon this link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D72Z4X...Y2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1#
    Sorry for the long link.
    From Your pictures..

    Here is what I have coming:
    Purple WD HD
    Fideco external case
    4 pin male molex to 15 pin female sata adapter
     
  4. DICK LOCKWOOD

    DICK LOCKWOOD New Member

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    Message cut off when internet crapped out for a moment: What did i forget to Order?
    Cables: I know there Must be one that the male Molex couples to/with,
    Kindly describe what else I need so i can order correct items.
    Many many thanks
     
  5. tommage1

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    I cannot recommend any other case. As they are all different, different connections inside, different sizes etc etc. This is the one I used so I know it works, will fit the drive, cables needed etc. Anything else I cannot say since I have not used. I saw 26.99 at Amazon with free shipping? Up to you, yours may work, I don't know the internal connections nor how much space available inside.

    Do NOT read the specs on the Sabrent, they are irrelevant. The only purpose of the enclosure for this project is to hold and power the drive. You need to be able to connect the power and data cables to the drive separately.
     
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  6. DICK LOCKWOOD

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    Hi Tom: This will hopefully be the final request for your guidance:

    The parts I need to do an external hard drive for the Bolt will arrive today and tomorrow. I opened the Bolt case yesterday for a last minute look to see about cable connections. On the system you use, I understand that the external container connections for power and connecting data to the Bolt are not used. A sata cord will run to the motherboard from the external hard drive itself. That sata transmits data as I understand it.

    Question: Your process pictures a male 4 pin molex cable with a female sata end.
    I ordered one.
    I am not sure what that cable connects to?
    The sata end appears to be 15 pin.
    I am thinking the sata end must likely connect directly to the new external HD?
    The molex ends suggests to me that it is a power supply connection.
    So, a female molex 4 pin connection must connect with this male Molex plug.
    From that female connection and cord, where (and to what) does it connect?
    An external power supply perhaps?
    What have I missed?
    I think I may have one or two more components to buy.

    I will have this installation completed in two days.
    From our discussions I know that the Software (E 4) is the likely reason that all hard drive changes have resulted in a freeze at startup of the Bolt. These drive "rejections" include the old Tivo 1 TB external Extender by Western Digital, the new blue 2 TB WD 2.5" internal HD that I installed., and an external HD 3 TB 7200 RPM (connected to eSATA outside port on bolt) by Fantom Drives. (I now know from you that was not going to work). You are right.

    Question: What will change by connecting the new external drive setup through a sata cable to the Bolt's internal connection?
    Won't the E 4 software reject the new external drive (fail to recognize it and lock up at startup screen)?
    Will I ultimately have to revert to v. E 3 software?

    Looking forward to your response as I complete the upgrade project.
    I have high hopes it will work this time.

    Thank you Tom...you have been very patient and very helpful.
     
  7. tommage1

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    The molex to Sata power connection provides power to the drive in the enclosure. But the enclosure has to have a molex power cable inside. Since you mentioned you may have ordered a different external case I cannot say what connections are inside. Look at the pictures I posted of the inside of the enclosure I used.

    You will be using the power supply/adapter for the Bolt. It supplies power to the Bolt, the enclosure has it's own power supply. There are two cables being used for data, one connected to the Bolt MB, the other connected to the Sata connection on the drive in the enclosure. Then they connect together in between the Bolt and enclosure. You should have enough info on cables from the original upgrade thread and the replies/pictures in this thread.

    The method for doing this, as far as the Bolt knows you are using an internal drive. Since the external is connected Sata to Sata.
     
  8. rscar627

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    I hate to hijack this thread but I have a question. I have a TiVo HD 20 hr that had the TiVo branded WD expander attached. I moved the HD to a guest room as it was not used much and disconnected the expander. Can I hook this up to my Roamio Plus? I lost everything when it was disconnected from the HD (not a big deal) but will I lose anything if I hook it up to the Roamio Plus? Thank you.
     
  9. DICK LOCKWOOD

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    First an update re my quest for more drive storage. The second (From E Bay) WD (old style) external HD I tried is working fine. I now have 1 TB external storage plus the original 500 GB internal storage in the TIVO Bolt. That is plenty of storage for me. Tom was a great help as I prepared to do some major modifications. But Eureka! The second WD External HD (1 TB) worked. The BOLT recognized it and is using it for storage now.

    RSCAR" RE: Your Question: Will you have data Loss?: Probably! My external is a 2012 era WD External specifically for TIVO in it's own external enclosure. It is hooked up Via the e SATA port on the Bolt 500 GB unit. I do have a Roamio Plus that I am not using, but I didn't try to use the WD HD External drive with that Roamio. I recall other posts on the forum that report data loss with those old WD external drives when power is disconnected. I believe the TIVO Bolt stores programs on the internal and this WD Eternal drives, simultaneously splitting the data. I think that is why data is lost on the external drive when it is disconnected. FYI: With my present setup (BOLT and WD external drive) I have no control over where data (programs) are stored. i simply note that my system is now 20% full. Previously with the approximate same program storage it was reporting 75 - 80% full.

    At one time I did have a Seagate External HD (1 TB) hooked up to the Roamio Plus. The hook up was through USB connection. This worked very well. And, in that application, I was able to see that drive's content separately from the internal HD content. I could actually transfer programming to and from the Roamio from that drive. Disconnecting it didn't experience data loss, even though it had a separate power supply. The USB only served for data transfer....not power to the external unit. I am certain that the software version in that Roamio was E 3.

    I have a similar question for the forum: Have you experienced loss of data in those old external WD drives when power is temporarily lost due to commercial power outages? We live in the CA Mountains and power outages are pretty common. I have a whole-house generator but it takes a few seconds to kick in when power goes out.

    Free Offer
    : I got the original box with the owner manual for the WD External Drive from E Bay.
    I will scan the manual into a PDF and post it if it will be of any use to you. Let me know.

    Thank You again Tom for all your help.
     
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  10. tommage1

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    Glad you are up and running. You can always continue with the other project if need be. I bought a couple more of the external enclosures in case I want to do any more upgrades in the future.
     
  11. dianebrat

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    You need to review what you typed, what you described is not and has never possible on a Roamio, the USB port can't be used for a USB HDD, and in systems with multiple drives you don't see them as separate drives like you would in Windows.
     
  12. DICK LOCKWOOD

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    Diane: I appreciate your expertise. :) I reviewed what I wrote. I have accurately described what happened with my Tivo. I reviewed my Jan. 2015 Tivo Notes (the time of my first TIVO). At that time I had a Roamio though maybe it was not a Plus. TIVO MODEL #TCD848000 TIVO SKU# R848OP. I hooked up the Sea. HD to that machine. And, I moved that Sea. USB HD over to the Roamio Plus on 12/28/2018. And it worked there too. Short of again activating my Roamio Plus and then plugging in the Seagate, I will have to rely on my recall. Maybe I was just uniquely lucky but that is how it worked for me.
    I just submitted this for whatever worth it might be to someone else.
     
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  14. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    It's certainly easy enough to mistake USB for eSATA, but Seagates were never allowed to be DVR expanders (in fact they were blacklisted from the legendary OLED S3 that accepted any drive as an expander)
    However your description of being able to move programs between drives is something that has never been possible with any Tivo, when you have 2 drives the recordings are striped between the 2 and they share one large storage pool.

    What you described is one of the most long sought after wishlist items, if it had ever been possible, even in beta, TCF would have people who know.
     
  15. DICK LOCKWOOD

    DICK LOCKWOOD New Member

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    When I am wrong...:oops: admit it!
    I stand corrected and am very sorry if I misled anyone about Tivos and External hard drives.
    I had my WD external HD with USB connectivity a lot longer than I remembered.
    After discussing the issue with my wife, she reminded me that the Back and forth program switching with the External Hard drive
    had to have been when we still had a Dish Network Box (pre- going to Tivo in January 2015.)
    Thank You Diane & Joe

    :(I can and will do better!
     
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  16. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    What can I say Dick, we have very good memories around here. :)
    It was never anything personal, but more a matter of getting things straight so that in the future we don't have someone pulling up this thread and saying "But this one guy said he did it and I know it's what I want, so I need to be able to do it too! it's all a conspiracy when you say it's not possible"
     
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  17. rscar627

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    I might not be understanding. I did lose everything on the HD when I disconnected the DVR Expander...no big deal as it was placed in a guest room. I want to connect to a Roamio Plus that I use everyday and is about half full. Will I lose what is on the Roamio if I connect the DVR Expander? That is something I do not want.
     
  18. JoeKustra

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    This is called hijacking a thread. You should buy a 3T drive instead. You lose all recordings made after installing the external drive when it dies. Plenty of help in the Roamio forums.
     

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